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Title says it all. I'm building an Aasimar Paladin, and the Favored Class Reward in the Advanced Race Guide says the following:

"Add +1/6 to the morale bonus on saving throws provided by the paladin’s auras"

So, is that +1 for every 6 times you take this reward, or +1 for every 6 Paladin levels you have? I can't find a specific ruling in either of the Advanced Race Guide prints, and haven't seen anything online here, or on gitp, or over on Reddit...

I'm asking cause +1/6 times you take it is a max of +3 by the time you hit level 20, and if it's +1/6 Paladin levels, and you take it for all 20 Paladin levels, that's +20/6 Paladin levels. 6, 12, and 18, +20*3 is +64 total to the Moral Bonus your auras grant allies. Which, as you can see, is broken beyond all measure, even if it's only against Fear, Charm and Compulsion.

But the +1/6 times you take it seems a bit weak. If you take it 18 times, it's only +3, for a total of +7 offered by your auras, which is nice, but there are Feats you can take to make, for instance, your Aura of Courage to give all of your allies complete immunity to Fear.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ You might also be interested in this answer that I think may reproduce perhaps the exact text you were trying to find. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Nov 29 '19 at 14:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ You are a live saver. I'll check the 2nd print to double check it. \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 30 '19 at 0:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ 1/?Update: I checked out the thread, and the linked source (still reading that shitstorm of a thread), and the books we're playing with are the 1e, 1st print, and since you only round down when adding the racial bonus to a roll (like with the Dwarf Rogue bonus), it stacks to be 1/6 levels. If I was adding it to a roll (for instance "+1/6 to weapon damage rolls"), and not a flat bonus, then it would be one sixth of a point. Holy shit.... I hope my DM doesn't get his hands on the 2nd printing of the rules.... I mean, it doesn't help /me/ any, since I'm immune to Fear, Charm and Compulsion.... \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 30 '19 at 1:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ 2/2 effects when I get the auras. This is to help the party as a whole, since the entire point of this build (including the Feats and Spells I'm going to take/use) is to bolster the party. Yeah, I have Smite Evil to lay down the Divine Law on some fools if I need to, but I'm not min/maxing to be the big dick on campus, I'm min/maxing to be party support and tank. \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 30 '19 at 1:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ I swear the whole favored class thing would've been about a million percent clearer had Paizo opted for ½-style fractions instead of 1/2-style fractions. (And watch the swearing—the site frowns on it because it has no age minimum and even little kids play RPGs.) \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Nov 30 '19 at 2:00
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The favored class bonus applies only when you take it. Be it the extra skill point, the extra hit point or the 1/6 bonus to your paladin's aura, you only gain the benefit of your favored class you pick at each level.

Add +1/6 to the morale bonus on saving throws provided by the paladin’s auras

The alternate favored bonus does exactly what it says it does. Everytime you take it, you gain +1/6 bonus. There is nothing about "per paladin level".

Everytime you take the alternate racial favored class bonus, you get a sixth of a point to your morale bonus. If you take it 6 times, you gain +1 to your moral bonus. If you take it 3 times, you gain +3/6 to your moral bonus which rounds down to +0. If you take it 5 times, you get +5/6 to your morale bonus, which is still rounded down to 0. If you take it 20 time, you get +20/6, which rounds down to +3 to your morale bonus (so no more that what you'd get at level 18).

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm aware. But, if I take all 20 levels of Paladin, and take the +1/6 to auras reward all 20 times, is it +1/6 levels of Paladin I have, or +1/6 times I take it. That's where my confusion is. \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 29 '19 at 10:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ OK, so it's +1/6 levels. My logic is it only adds a +3 to the auras, and since the auras only give out a +4, 4+3=7, and there are Feats you can take to make your auras do other things, like with Fearless Aura, your Aura of Courage expands to 20ft radius, and all allies inside the radius are completely immune to Fear effects. \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 29 '19 at 10:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AustinJurgle ... Yes? I don't really get where you're going with that, but the favored class bonus only allow you to add +3 at level 18 to the morale bonus provided on saving throws and that's it. And that's +1/6 times you take it which is different from +1/6 paladin levels. \$\endgroup\$ – Nyakouai Nov 29 '19 at 10:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ OK, final question, Nyakouai, if I take the reward more than once, say, at level 1, 2, and 3, does this stack (effectively making this +3/6)? Cause, according to how it's worded in the rules, you can choose what favored class bonus you take when you take a level in a favored class. Cause as written, you can take 5 favored class rewards to get skill points, 5 to get the +1/6 to the moral bonuses to saves that your auras offer, and 10 for the +1 HP. And if it stacks, then you could get the +20/6 that I was wondering about \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 29 '19 at 10:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ Oops. Just saw your clarifications. Thanks for the help, man. I'm building a support Pali, which is why I was wondering... +64 to saves in a 30ft area (with the alternate capstone ability) is bullshit, and I love it. Perfect for my support Pali build. Thanks again! \$\endgroup\$ – Austin Jurgle Nov 29 '19 at 10:25

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