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My group have played Shadowrun 3e once, and we all agreed that this system is very realistic, but very complex. Too many options for our liking.

We are considering options to switch edition, and as usually newer edition reduce complexity for newer player, we are currently looking at 6e.

What are the differences between Shadowrun 3e and 6e?

We've never get to play all rules in 3e, so I'm mainly looking for highlights for reduced complexity and look out for stuffs that are very different when we switch edition.

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    \$\begingroup\$ I'd consider changing title to something that would emphasize changes in complexity, as it looks like the complexity is what you are really interested about. \$\endgroup\$ – Mołot Dec 2 '19 at 15:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Mołot I've changed the title. If you have something better in mind, please do suggest/edit. I do think the title is inadequately reflect what I'm asking, though \$\endgroup\$ – Vylix Dec 3 '19 at 3:21
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The Facts

Every version of Shadowrun advances the setting timeline (usually 5-10 years), but that isn't what you're asking about.

Other than using the same dice and reusing a few of the attribute names and other terms, the systems are very different. Die pools are calculated differently, variable Target Numbers no longer exist, the Matrix became wireless in SR4, etc. There are too many differences to provide a bulleted list of the mechanical details - it would essentially need to cover the entire system.

As far as complexity goes, it is definitely much less complex. That's been an ongoing trend since SR3 - each subsequent edition has a lower base complexity. Obviously, each successive sourcebook within an edition increases the complexity, but no edition since SR3 has reached the same complexity of SR3.

If you're going to start fresh and looking for a less complex game, SR6 is probably the place to start. There isn't a pile of sourcebooks to add complexity (yet). It is also more readily available in dead-tree, for people who like that.

The Opinion

Shadowrun holds a special place for me (SR1 was actually the first RPG I spent my own money on as a ten-year-old), SR3 is my favorite version of the system and my favorite version of the setting. There are a lot of things that happened at the end of SR3's run that I don't particularly care for from a storytelling perspective. They tried too hard to update the setting to better reflect the modern world while maintaining their modified timeline at the same time; it felt very heavy handed.

The complexity of SR3 is a hard for a lot of people to take. When I run SR for anything but diehard SR veterans, I usually use SR4A (20th Anniversary Edition) for the rules but early SR3 for the timeline. I blend some of the technology backwards, to better reflect those advancements from the modern day, e.g. the wireless matrix is not a new thing as it is in SR4's timeline, after the first Crash, rather than the second (which I never really get to).

Depending on how far back I plan to start, some things may be completely unavailable, too - Move-by-Wire and Biofeedback Filters are two pretty significant technological benchmarks. There's actually an entire adventure module about how the first true defense against Black ICE was created.

If you're willing to accept more complexity, but not as much as SR3, go with SR4A. There are plenty of sourcebooks to tailor your game with. It will be a bit harder to find those materials, though.

I honestly believe SR3 was the height of Shadowrun. Even the most crunchy sourcebooks had great setting information, typically in the form of running commentary at the bottom of each page from the in-universe online 'runner community, Shadowland. As in-character commentary, a lot of it could be lies or truth as the GM chose.

During the FASA years, there was a certain wit in the writing. I mean, who nukes the location of their own corporate headquarters?1 While some of the same people were involved in WizKids, it just wasn't the same. As time went on, I think the rules got less complicated (better, in many cases) as things transitioned from there to FanPro, but I think the backstory got weaker.

Catalyst Games didn't really improve things much. SR5 introduced some good concepts (I for one, liked Limits), but at the same time introduced some really out-there story elements. Cognitive Fragmentation Disorder was a real stretch; it seemed like they were trying to recreate the horror of Bug City or Renraku Shutdown, but fell flat.

Furthermore, from a layout and editing standpoint, Catalyst has done a poor job. There are whole passages in SR5 that are literal copy-pastes from SR4, that were not subsequently updated to match SR5's nomenclature. Likewise, there were sections they lifted to explain certain concepts, but did so incompletely - if they'd included a paragraph before or after, it would have made sense.

I've purchased and read SR6, but honestly have no plans to run it. I'll stick with SR4A.

1The "Cermak Nuke" in Bug City... FASA's offices were on Cermak Avenue in Chicago.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ "important parts of the setting, details of the world, have been lost" - You already got my +1, but I believe this part deserves a paragraph, not a fine print. OP said that his group likes how the system is realistic, so any loss on that point would be a valid part of an answer. \$\endgroup\$ – Mołot Dec 2 '19 at 15:29
  • \$\begingroup\$ I feel like a complete answer should also mention the... overall quality of the newer rules and sourcebooks. Personally, I'd not recommend SR6 to an inexperienced player. \$\endgroup\$ – Ruther Rendommeleigh Dec 2 '19 at 16:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Mołot Okay, I give in. \$\endgroup\$ – T.J.L. Dec 2 '19 at 16:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ @RutherRendommeleigh I hope that doesn't sound too rant-like... \$\endgroup\$ – T.J.L. Dec 2 '19 at 18:44

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