The Mind Thrust psionic power has a few disadvantages.

Notably, it is mind-affecting, which doesn't allow it to function against undead, constructs, oozes, and some plant creatures.

Also, it requires a will save, which if made, negates all damage.

Some might argue that power points are also a limitation, but that is beyond the intent of my question.

What methods can help it overcome these two constraints?:

  • affect the mindless
  • either remove the will save, or boost the save DC.
  • \$\begingroup\$ If this was answerable, the Beguiler would be a much better class than it is currently considered to be. I conclude that this is not answerable. \$\endgroup\$
    – J. Mini
    Commented Dec 8, 2019 at 1:26
  • \$\begingroup\$ @J.Mini then it will either get answered that way or it will hang out unanswered. Either is fine. \$\endgroup\$
    – fectin
    Commented Dec 8, 2019 at 12:43

1 Answer 1


After much research, and silence in response to this question, it is concluded that there is not a method existing in 3.5 materials.

  • \$\begingroup\$ I think that posting this answer is worse than just leaving the question unanswered. Don't get me wrong, I think you are probably correct - after 5 years of no answers, it's probably right that there is no answer. But any reader could already have concluded that by seeing that there was no answer after 5 years. The only thing accomplished by adding this answer is to remove the question from the unanswered questions list, making it even less likely for an answer to be posted on the off chance there is one. \$\endgroup\$
    – A_S00
    Commented Apr 18 at 21:55
  • \$\begingroup\$ Happy to be proven wrong, and I definitely take your point, but I am pretty confident in my research to date. \$\endgroup\$
    – nijineko
    Commented Apr 24 at 22:27

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