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A friend of mine played a one-shot and they were all told to make 20th-level characters. He made an 18th level monk tabaxi with 2 levels in Rogue. He tried to make his character as fast as possible. My biggest concern was Feline Agility being paired with Haste (cast by his girlfriend's sorcerer character).

Let's start by breaking this down a bit.

The tabaxi is an 18th monk, so he gets a +30 to his speed, making his walking speed 60.

Then he took the mobile feat- making his walking speed 70.

If this tabaxi was affected by the Haste spell (see below) his walking speed would double, so now it is 140.

The Haste spell says (PHB, pg. 250):

Until the spell ends, the target's speed is doubled, it gains a +2 bonus to AC, it has advantage on Dexterity saving throws and it gains an additional action on each of its turns. That action can be used only to take the Attack (one weapon Attack only), Dash, Disengage, Hide, or Use an Object action.

The rogue's Cunning Action feature says:

You can take a bonus action on each of your turns in combat. This action can be used only to take the Dash, Disengage, or Hide action.

So far, no problem... but now he wants to dash... three times.

140 (Current base walking speed) + 140 (action used to Dash) + 140 (extra action from Haste) + 140 (bonus action Dash from the rogue's Cunning Action) = 560 feet.

And now he wants to use Feline Agility to make his total movement for the round 1120 feet.

The tabaxi's Feline Agility trait says (Volo's Guide to Monsters, p. 115):

When you move on your turn in combat, you can double your speed until the end of the turn.

This feels extremely excessive (because I think that speed would be over 135 miles per hour), but usually, I care more about everyone having fun than being a rules lawyer. But I am curious:

Can Feline Agility and Haste's doubling of speed stack?

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    \$\begingroup\$ Hmm. I smell cheese. Nice, ripe cheese. \$\endgroup\$ – Zeiss Ikon Dec 12 '19 at 15:04
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    \$\begingroup\$ Related on What is the fastest a character can move in one turn?. Question is closed, but relevant :) \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Dec 12 '19 at 15:05
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    \$\begingroup\$ I'd personally rule as letting it go if that's really what he built the character for. It sounds like he had good laughs at the table, awesome, yes. Useful? Questionable. \$\endgroup\$ – Samara Markcosian Dec 12 '19 at 15:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ZeissIkon I think we might have already had this cheese before? \$\endgroup\$ – NeutralTax Dec 12 '19 at 23:58
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It all stacks

You've quoted all the relevant bits so, as long as the character moves, their movement effectively with haste becomes 280.

They've heavily invested in this build, so let them squeeze as much out of it as they can! Moving that far may not be as helpful as they'd think in a constrained battlespace, but there may be times where it is relevant.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm not doubting, but do you have a source for saying that it stacks? \$\endgroup\$ – NeutralTax Dec 12 '19 at 23:59
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    \$\begingroup\$ @neutralvax it's more that there isn't a source to show they don't. \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Dec 13 '19 at 0:13
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    \$\begingroup\$ The rule of "no hidden rules". If one source says "+ speed", and another source says "+ speed", they stack, unless one source says "+ speed, but does not stack with speed from ....." \$\endgroup\$ – Nelson Dec 13 '19 at 1:05
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Just a little bit of math here, but with a base walking speed of 70 feet, doubled by haste would be 140, then doubled by Feline Agility would be 280. So 280 movement, plus 280 Dash as an Action, plus 280 Dash as a Bonus Action, only adds up to 840 feet of movement. Not as excessively high as the 1120 feet of movement you calculated, but still very impressive.

Thanks to the correction by @NautArch: The additional Haste Action to Dash would be an additional 280, and would be the 1120 feet of movement. So yea, the math checks out. Nice.

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    \$\begingroup\$ You're missing the haste action dash. \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Dec 12 '19 at 19:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm not sure what this adds that the question itself and the older answer didn't already cover. \$\endgroup\$ – T.J.L. Dec 12 '19 at 19:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ It was just confirming the math, which before the edit, did not add up. After the edit, it was just additional confirmation. If I had not of forgotten the additional action provided by Haste, this answer would not have been added. \$\endgroup\$ – EChambers89 Dec 12 '19 at 19:29

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