With the substitution levels from Goliath Barbarian, does the Mountain Rage still give the bonus to Constitution? Or do you lose that in exchange for a size increase and bonus strength?


It’s kind of weird because mountain rage still refers to the process as “rag[ing],” but then explicitly says that it “replaces the standard barbarian’s rage ability,” before finally coming back and saying you also get all the benefits of regular rage.

When [a goliath barbarian] rages, [he gains a number of benefits]

Mountain rage replaces the standard barbarian’s rage ability, and when a barbarian would normally gain extra uses of the rage ability per day, he instead gains extra uses of the mountain rage ability. However, the barbarian gains these benefits in addition to the normal benefits and penalties of his rage (+4 Strength, +4 Constitution, +2 on Will saves, and –2 to AC).

(Races of Stone pg. 150-151, emphasis mine)

So in total, mountain rage confers Large size that replaces1 powerful build, as well as +6 Strength, +4 Constitution, +2 on Will saves, –3 to AC (including the –1 from being Large).

  1. The description doesn’t actually say that the Large size is a replacement for powerful build; RAW you could argue that you get both. But Races of Stone says “he does not gain additional benefits on weapon size and grapple checks, since he already has them from his powerful build ability.” That indicates that powerful build does not stack with mountain rage’s Large size, or else those figures would see additional benefit (becoming comparable to Huge size).
  • \$\begingroup\$ So, in total, including the detriment to AC from large size, if combined with Reckless Rage, the bonuses would be: +8 STR, +6 CON, +2 Will Saves, and -5 AC? \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16 '19 at 14:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ @irishtatertot25 Correct. I’ll add in the bit about the AC penalty from being large, since that’s a great point that I missed. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Dec 16 '19 at 15:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ And these bonuses would also stack with the Greater Rage and Mighty Rage class abilities as well, increasing the STR bonus by an additional +2? \$\endgroup\$ Dec 16 '19 at 15:14
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    \$\begingroup\$ @irishtatertot25 Correct, greater rage and mighty rage would continue to increase the bonuses. However, seeing as you are already at +8/+6 from 1 feat and 2 levels (if we count the goliath’s LA +1 as an investment in mountain rage, which we should), spending another 9 levels for another +2/+2 is a very dubious choice. Barbarian 1st and 2nd have great features, but the rest of the levels are extremely sparse. Multiclassing is recommended. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Dec 16 '19 at 15:17

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