I think I figured a way to give more power to the Favored Soul class (Complete Divine, p. 6-10) that people shun so much and is weak compared to Clerics, not only do you gain a Domain this Way but I think you also gain Turn attempts, wich really boost that poor class.

With the Prestige Class Dracolyte (Draconomicon, p. 122-123) and choosing the Glory Domain (Good gets it, but Neutral characters must choose between Glory and Domination):

The Granted Power States (SRD):

Turn Undead with a +2 bonus on the turning check and +1d6 to the turning damage roll.

In the Draconomicon p.107 it states:

Granted Power: You can turn undead with a +2 bonus on the turning check and +1d6 on the turning damage roll.

In the SRD the wording suggests that it gives you turn undead, while the Draconomicon suggest that you can do it wich could seem ambiguous, note that the Glory domain is only tied to this class, and it is mentionned in the Prestige Domain section that you can indeed join this without having other domains (wich mean non clerics, and the prerequisites permits it too) so I guess it really gives you Turn attempts.

Nothing states you need to already have Turn attempts, it straightly gives you a more powerful version of it.

This might be because Favored souls were not introduced yet, but as Favored Soul is a weak class compared to Cleric, nothing from RAW says it does not work, yet it is reasonable to allow it I believe, what would you guys say about this? Even just a 1 level dip would make way more powerful but at the cost of two weak feats, so might as well continue the prestige class...


  • I'm using the new ability from Dead Levels II:

    Knowledge Specialty (Ex): At 1st level, a favored soul can choose whether to make Knowledge (arcana) or Knowledge (religion) a class skill. Once this choice is made, it cannot be reversed

    I chose Knowledge (religion) instead so I'm ok for Dracolyte.

  • The only restrictions is having 2nd-level divine spells,2 general feats and some skills... other classes such as druid or paladin could get into this prestige class as well if they meet the prerequisites.


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Consider the wording for cleric:

A cleric may attempt to turn undead a number of times per day equal to 3 + his Charisma modifier.

By direct comparison, it seems, as written, like someone with the Glory domain can simply turn undead, period, no “attempt” necessary, so no rolling at all, and can do it as often as they like.

I think we can all agree this isn’t right: the very ability in question gives a bonus on a roll that, according to this literal reading, doesn’t need to be made in the first place. And turning undead at will is something the game would explicitly highlight.

But if that’s not right, what is right? So far as I can tell, we have no other sources of information here—there is the faulty wording of the Glory domain itself, and nothing more to go on. I think most would consider it most plausible that the Glory domain is only giving you a bonus on rolls, and that the ability to actually attempt those rolls has to come from elsewhere—but as you say, that’s a problem because the prestige class is clearly available to non-clerics.

Just to be thorough, the sources for the Glory domain, in chronological order, are:

Source Edition Access Faith
Defenders of the Faith 3e Any PrC granting extra domains Heironeous, Pelor
Deities & Demigods 3e Any domain source Re-Horakhty
Draconomicon 3.5e Dracolyte PrC any¹
Complete Divine 3.5e Any domain source Heironeous, Pelor
Spell Compendium 3.5e Any domain source —²

The non-core “divine” material in the SRD, including the Glory domain, is a partial, open-game reprint of Deities & Demigods. Note that the hyperlink found on d20srd.org is an addition by the creator of that website—Wizards of the Coast’s publication of the SRD did not include any such link. Only Draconomicon uses the “you turn” wording.

The original source for “prestige domains” was Defenders of the Faith. Its description of prestige domains in general acknowledges that non-clerics can gain access to prestige domains, and while it details exactly how the domain spells work in such a case, all it says about the granted power is that the non-cleric gets them. No clarification on Glory domain’s reference to turn undead is offered.3

Complete Divine doesn’t recognize the concept of “prestige domains,” or any domains available solely through a prestige class, at all. All domains are available to clerics, and others who get domains, normally, including the Glory domain. Complete Divine instead defines new rules for “extra domains” available via prestige class, which are very similar to the rules for “prestige domains” excepting, of course, that they don’t need to be gained via prestige class. Deities & Demigods had already done that for most of the prestige domains in Defenders of the Faith,4 including the Glory domain, but Draconomicon had arguably undone that for the Glory domain when it was reprinted as a prestige domain for the dracolyte.

Spell Compendium’s version of the Glory domain itself is the last publication of the domain, and as such is the “official rule.” However, since Spell Compendium doesn’t have particular rules about how domains are gained or how their granted powers work—it just lists domains in an appendix—really Complete Divine is the last word on the subject of domains from prestige classes. The wording of the Glory domain’s granted power is the same in Spell Compendium as it is everywhere else, aside from Draconomicon.

It is probably worth noting that Complete Divine specifies that for those prestige classes that offer an extra domain that isn’t specified by the class, “a character can choose from any domains offered by his deity (or can choose any domain if he doesn’t worship a specific god).” That doesn’t help favored souls,5 but for others it could be useful. For a favored soul, though, one must take a prestige class offering an extra domain while worshiping Heironeous, Pelor, or Re-Horakhty, or else take the dracolyte prestige class specifically,1 in order to access the Glory domain.

So the only real answer we have is “we don’t know; probably not?” After all, the biggest reason to doubt that the Glory domain is purely a bonus is that all good dracolytes are forced to get it even if they can’t turn undead, but if you consider it in its original context—Defenders of the Faith, where it was just one option among many—that interpretation seems much more plausible. But still, I’d suggest a lot of salt to go with that claim.

Ultimately, this is a question that simply has to be taken to a DM. At which point you should probably just have a conversation with the DM about fixing the favored soul in general, rather than relying on a poorly-worded domain to kinda-sorta do the job, but only later in the game, and then worry about whether other classes can also get access to turning that way and whether or not that’s a problem. After all, Complete Divine actually makes the Glory domain dramatically more accessible to non-favored souls, since they would have other non-dracolyte, non-Heironeous/Pelor/Re-Horakhty options for the domain.

  1. Though Draconomicon says “A dracolyte is [...] a divine spellcaster who devotes his energy and support to the deities of dragonkind,” pg. 122, nothing in the actual rules requires a dracolyte to worship any particular deity, draconic or otherwise. YMMV.

  2. Spell Compendium does not list deities associated with any of the domains it lists in Appendix: Domain Spells, so nothing should be read into its absence for the Glory domain.

  3. Despite the fact that Defenders of the Faith has an explicit “Granted Power Note” sidebar, it still doesn’t explain the Glory domain’s granted power—that sidebar instead attempts to justify why the Creation and Divination domains grant a +2 bonus to caster levels instead of +1.

  4. “Several of the domains presented in this section—Community, Creation, Glory, and Madness—originally appeared as ‘prestige domains’ in Defenders of the Faith. They are presented here as standard domains for some deities who appear in this book.” —Deities & Demigods pg. 213.

  5. “Unlike clerics, favored souls are not able to devote themselves to a cause or a source of divine power instead of a deity.” —Complete Divine pg. 7.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Weren't prestige domains in 3e's Defends of the Faith? In fact, I believe the text for the Glory Domain's granted power hasn't changed since that book, so this may be an issue to do with badly adapted 3e material. Would the Glory Domain have worked differently there? \$\endgroup\$
    – J. Mini
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 17:10
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    \$\begingroup\$ @J.Mini Yeah, I’m in the process of tracking that down; its presence in the SRD indicates at the least that they’re found in Deities & Demigods, and I’ll check Defenders of the Faith too. I don’t think 3e vs. 3.5e would affect anything here, though. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 17:11
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    \$\begingroup\$ @MaximeCuillerier d20srd.org neither was created by nor is run by Wizards of the Coast—it was created by a fan, and is now operated by a separate company. One of the features that d20srd.org added to its copy of the SRD, above and beyond the open content itself, is hyperlinking. The original SRD .rtf documents do not include any such linking. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 17:11
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    \$\begingroup\$ You can do better than using 3e material to get the non-prestige Glory domain, Complete Divine gives it to Heironeous and Pelor. \$\endgroup\$
    – J. Mini
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 18:42
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    \$\begingroup\$ @J.Mini Right you are, fixed. Hopefully that’s the last source of the glory domain that I forgot about. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 19:27

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