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Lich can imprison a soul in its philactery:

A creature imprisoned in the phylactery for 24 hours is consumed and destroyed utterly, whereupon nothing short of divine intervention can restore it to life. Monster Manual pg. 203

The phrase 'nothing short of divine intervention' intrigues me because wish spell usually regarded as on par and interchangeable with divine intervention.

Can wish revive the poor creature's destroyed soul?

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Depends on how your DM is feeling

While the spell is named Wish, you are not actually posing your wish to any actual entity.

Wish is the mightiest spell a mortal creature can cast. By simply speaking aloud, you can alter the very foundations of reality in accord with your desires.

As you can see, you are not asking a divine entity for aid when you're casting wish, you're meddling with the very fabric of reality in an attempt to brute-force it into what you'd like to happen. It's not divine intervention.

Because it is not one of the default applications of Wish, you fall in the following paragraph:

You might be able to achieve something beyond the scope of the above examples. State your wish to the GM as precisely as possible. The GM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might only be partly achieved, or you might suffer some unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a legendary magic item or artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item’s current owner.

Simply wishing "I wish Bob was alive again." might result in reality reshaping itself to erase the Lich from history, thus wiping out the event that killed Bob in the first place, or it might send you back into the past to a point where Bob was still alive, or it might just create a soulless clone of Bob, it depends entirely on your DM at that point.

Most likely the safest wish in this case would be to wish something along the likes of "I wish to speak to Bob's god, to make them aware of the fact that their soul has been destroyed by a Lich". It's in the god's best interest that Bob's soul is restored, so if there was any way of using wish to reliable revive Bob, this would likely be it.

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    \$\begingroup\$ That assumes a lot about the relationship between Bob and Bob's God. \$\endgroup\$ – Ben Barden Mar 5 '20 at 20:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ ...or, at meta level, players' relationship with the DM. I wouldn't call the "contact Bob's god" a reliable way to revive Bob, not by any stretch of imagination. \$\endgroup\$ – WakiNadiVellir Mar 5 '20 at 20:26
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    \$\begingroup\$ @BenBarden The primary reason for a god to care about mortals is because their souls will pass onto them when they die, which is where their power comes from. Without mortals who believe in them and pass to their realm, the gods will eventually cease to exist. "Hey I want Bob to be alive again" is not something a god will likely care about, if they're dead their soul goes to their god, and unless there's a really good reason for them to need to be alive, that's fine and dandy. But when their soul is destroyed, that's a portion of the god's "income" that is gone, and a far bigger deal. \$\endgroup\$ – Theik Mar 6 '20 at 7:04
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    \$\begingroup\$ @MaximeCuillerier You are confusing 'divine intervention' with 'spells of a divine nature'. Divine intervention means "the divine intervenes", as in "a god gets involved". This is not the same as "a cleric casts a revive spell". In 5e wish will indeed copy any spell of up to 8th level, but even a 9th level cleric spell won't bring back somebody who's very soul was destroyed, for that you need a god directly involved. Divine intervention is not a spell or a keyword of any kind, it's going by the dictionary definition. \$\endgroup\$ – Theik Mar 6 '20 at 7:45
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    \$\begingroup\$ 5e really doesn't care all that much about the distinction between arcane or divine magic. It decides which kind of focus you need, but that's really it. A multiclass wizard/cleric just has spell slots and can use them for spells of either class without problem, magic isn't really as strictly seperated anymore as it was in 3.5 \$\endgroup\$ – Theik Mar 6 '20 at 7:47

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