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Does the ring of mind shielding magic item or the mind blank spell block the dream spell? What spells and/or effects (apart from not sleeping) give someone immunity from being contacted with the dream spell?

It would seem to me that as long as you're on the same plane as your target and your target is asleep, there is no RAW way for your target to avoid being targeted by dream.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Are you looking for something that any character could use? Or are class or racial features ok? \$\endgroup\$
    – Szega
    May 11, 2020 at 11:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ Class and racial features, as well as monster abilities, are OK :) \$\endgroup\$ May 14, 2020 at 10:50

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Both Mind Blank and the Ring of Mind Shielding provide an absolute protection against the Dream spell.

Mind Blank's text (emphasis mine) states:

Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is immune to psychic damage, any effect that would sense it's emotions or read its thoughts, divination spells, and the charmed condition. The spell even foils wish spells and spells or effects of similar power used to affect the target's mind or to gain information about the target.

This last line provides an absolute protection against any spell that would affect the target's mind.

Dream states (emphasis mine):

This spell shapes a creature's dreams. Choose a creature known to you as the target of this spell. The target must be on the same plane of existence as you. Creatures that don't sleep, such as elves, can't be contacted by this spell. You, or a willing creature you touch, enters a trance state, acting as a messenger. While in the trance, the messenger is aware of his or her surroundings, but can't take actions or move.

If the target is asleep, the messenger appears in the target's dreams and can converse with the target as long as it remains asleep, through the duration of the spell. The messenger can also shape the environment of the dream, creating landscapes, objects, and other images. The messenger can emerge from the trance at any time, ending the effect of the spell early. The target recalls the dream perfectly upon waking. If the target is awake when you cast the spell, the messenger knows it, and can either end the trance (and the spell) or wait for the target to fall asleep, at which point the messenger appears in the target's dreams.

You can make the messenger appear monstrous and terrifying to the target. If you do, the messenger can deliver a message of no more than ten words and then the target must make a Wisdom saving throw. On a failed save, echoes of the phantasmal monstrosity spawn a nightmare that lasts the duration of the target's sleep and prevents the target from gaining any benefit from that rest. In addition, when the target wakes up, it takes 3d6 psychic damage.

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The very first sentence of Dream means the entire spell falls under the catch-all of "spells or effects of similar power used to affect the target's mind or to gain information about the target" at the end of Mind Blank.

If that wasn't enough, both:

  • the benign use, to appear in the target's dreams and shape the dream or converse with the target (thus affecting their thoughts [dreams]),
  • or making a terrifying eminence within their dream that creates echos so terrifying in their dream that affects them, that they gain no benefit of that rest

would fall under the definition of affecting the targets thoughts, and thus be prevented by Mind Blank.

The Ring of Mind Shielding is more complicated, since it's not quite as explicit. It's text states:

While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type. Creatures can telepathically communicate with you only if you allow it.

Now we ask two questions:

  • Is being able to see and affect your dreams "read[ing] your thoughts"?

Certainly, being able to enter and observe your dreams would count as reading your thoughts (as the messenger will remember the dream they observed).

  • Does Dream cause the messenger to telepathically communicate with you?

While Dream doesn't explicitly say the communication is telepathic, the communication initiated by Dream is mind to mind communication. This is pretty much the definition of telepathic communication, and as such would be blocked by the Ring of Mind Shielding.


Is there anything else that provides such a protection?

In the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist adventure sourcebooks there is a magic item that provides this protection:

Lord's Ensemble

The item's description states, in part (p. 191):

[...] and you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, to determine whether you are lying, to know your alignment, or to know your creature type.

In addition, an Antimagic field will protect you absolutely from the Dream spell (emphasis mine):

[...] Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed counts against its duration.[...]

Since Dream is a spell it cannot protrude into an Antimagic Field.

Finally, any spell or effect which allows you to temporarily be on a different plane of existance, like Etheralness, Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion, or Demiplane will protect you as they prevent the requirement of the Dream spell that:

The target must be on the same plane of existence as you.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Additionally, antimagic field prevents those inside it from be affected by magical effects. \$\endgroup\$
    – GcL
    May 11, 2020 at 19:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ Taken literally, you could argue that effects have to be of similar power to wish to be blocked under the last condition, but that's not the usual interpretation. \$\endgroup\$ May 11, 2020 at 19:58
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    \$\begingroup\$ Nowhere in the description of the Dream spell though does it say that the caster can see the target's dream. Just that it can shape it. So, it's plausible that the caster is solely responsible for the contents of the dream, and therefore does not sense any emotions or read thoughts through the spell. \$\endgroup\$ May 12, 2020 at 12:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ @GcL I don't know why I always forget the Antimagic/Mordenkainen spells, thank you for the reminder! I'll edit my answer accordingly :) \$\endgroup\$
    – MrTakeru
    May 12, 2020 at 12:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ The only information a caster of the Dream spell can gain from their target is whether they are sleeping or not. Though I agree it's not clear whether the benign effects of the spell might count as "affecting the target's mind" \$\endgroup\$ May 12, 2020 at 12:50
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It's a complicated question. By RAW, both the ring and Mindblank protect the user from divination-like effects, but Dream is an Illusion spell. I would rule (purely by RAW) that it could block (at most) the part where the messenger knows if the target is sleeping, making the spell fail if it's not.

If the target is immune to psychic damage, I would prevent the Nightmarish version of the spell nontheless, making it fail or, if you want to lower the tension, recreating somthing like a B movie horror film scenario where the attacker can't fully control the dream.

Anything that prevents Illusion spells gives immunitiy to this spell, but I can't recall anything apart from True Seeing, and I would argue if you keep its effects while sleeping. So yes, it might be an unstopabble effect.

Edit: as GcL notes, anyone inside an Antimagic Field are completely immune to both effects, as well as anyone inside a Mordenkainen spell, as they produce an extradimensional space, so you aren't in the same dimension nor plane as the caster unless some of your buddies want to screw your rest.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Mind blank does block reading thoughts, even if done via other than a divination spell. How do you propose Dream works without reading targets thoughts? I'm not saying it can't, but I think it's muddy enough, that the rationale needs to be spelled out. Why wouldn't dreams be thoughts in D&D? Or how would the Dream work if messenger was unable to observe anything about the dream? \$\endgroup\$ May 11, 2020 at 13:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ Because you don't "read" them, you "travel to", however is as you say, a really muddy topic, and that's just my interpretation, I can't say who is right here ^^U \$\endgroup\$
    – MrTakeru
    May 11, 2020 at 13:52
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    \$\begingroup\$ Yeah. I would definitely rule that travelling to ones dreams is an effect that allows reading their thoughts, but I can see a different point of view, where dreams are some kind of a state/place and both target and messenger are "there", not in target's mind and thoughts. \$\endgroup\$ May 11, 2020 at 15:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ Truesight allows the bearer to automatically detect illusions and succeed on saving throws against them. It does not insulate the bearer from all effects of illusion, such as the messenger in dream conversing with the target. \$\endgroup\$
    – GcL
    May 11, 2020 at 19:21

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