I was writing up some magical weapons and had a fond remembrance of the "Glass Sword" from Ultima VII (apparently V/VI/IX as well). While I didn't want to preserve the "save or die" aspect, I wanted to preserve a similar feel of "unusual, fragile, and deadly", and came up with this:

Glass Sword

Weapon (martial, sword)

Weight: 1

Damage: 2d20 (4d20 + 10 on break) slashing damage

Beautiful and deadly, this crystalline blade is as sharp as it is fragile. If you are proficient with shortswords or longswords, you are proficient with this weapon. Counts as magic for the purpose of piercing resistance or immunity.

This sword deals 2d20 slashing damage. On a successful hit (whether or not damage is dealt) roll a d20 to see if the sword shatters — if it does, add an additional 2d20 + 10 damage. The sword initially shatters on a roll of 5 or lower, but this increases by 1 with any successful attack.

I wanted it to feel unreliable to use (thus the 2d20 as damage), but still wanted at least the breaking to not feel bad, which is why I made the "breaking" damage 4d20+10 (which will probably be in the 40-70). I suppose I could replicate the swingy-ness with standard damage die and mechanics by using re-roll mechanics instead (like spell bombardment).

Since it will typically survive for under 4 hits (3.03 average, per @HellSaint), I believe it is best compared to consumable magical items (and the corresponding scrolls), e.g.:

  • [RARE] Necklace of fireballs - 4-9 instances of 8d6 (28) fire damage, or 0-1 of 14d6 (49)
  • [RARE] 4/5th level spell scroll (~30/40 damage, aoe)
  • [VERY RARE] 6/7/8th level spell scroll (~50/50/40 damage, aoe, various effects)
  • [LEGENDARY] 9th level spell scroll (~110 damage, aoe)

and seems to fall short of Very Rare.

I was also curious for methods of abuse, since physical damage from a magic weapon can be fairly devastating, not sure whether brutal critical or assassinate interactions would be balanced.

Proposed Modifications

  • Replace 2d20 / 4d20+10 with 4d12 / 8d12 to increase reliability, and avoid exotic die.

Adopted Modifications (comments only)

  • Adjusted type to avoid confusion with longswords / versatile property.
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    – V2Blast
    Jun 29, 2020 at 19:49

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Let me start this answer with a statement that I think must be made: rarity of magic items is a very poor indicator of power level. Of all the indicators of power levels we have in 5e (CR, spell level, character level, gold cost for regular items), rarity of magic items is, by far, the one that least represents the power level of what they represent. For that reason, it is mostly up to the DM to judge how rare an item actually is.

While a Necklace of Fireballs is a Rare item that allows to cast 4 to 9 Fireballs (one of the best 3rd level spells in the game), so is Elixir of Health, which is essentially a one-use Lesser restoration all in one, but still a very situational item that most likely will have the exact same result as the 2nd level spell when used (because you rarely get 5 conditions affecting you at the same time).

Rare seems fine (And I would say solid rare)

Your item is on par with decent consumable rare items. Here is the math:

Let \$p(i)\$ be the conditional (on the fact it did not break in previous hits) probability of the sword breaking at \$i\$-th hit, defined by the sequence $$p(i) = \frac{4 + i}{20}$$

and \$q(i)\$ be the probability of it not breaking $$q(i) = 1 - p(i)$$

Then, the marginal probability of the sword breaking at the \$k\$-th trial is given by

$$P(k) = p(k) \prod_{i=1}^{k-1}q(i) $$ which is basically this vector: $$[0.2500; 0.2250; 0.1837 ; 0.1365 ; 0.0921 ; 0.0563 ; 0.0310 ; 0.0152 ; 0.0066 ; 0.0025; 0.0008 ; 0.0002]$$

This is an extension to the Geometric Distribution, for those interested.

The expectation is 3.03 attacks. So, the expected damage is \$3.03 \times 21 + 31 = 94.63\$.

On the other hand, you are using your attacks to attack with this weapon, rather than an usual attack. Assume you would attack with a regular Longsword if you were not attacking with this sword, that would give you \$3\times4.5=13.5\$ damage. So, your net gain is 81.13 points of damage.

If you use the Necklace to cast a 9th level Fireball (which is not optimal!), you would do 49 damage on failed save and 24.5 on successful save. Having 3 creatures in the area - which is quite usual, and is the scenario where you would be using the Fireballs, most likely, and one of them failing, already gives you a total damage of 98, or net gain of around 90 (since the modifier is not included in this damage), since you only used one turn.

Overall, I would say the item is slightly worse than the Necklace, but the Necklace is already a top tier Rare item that could easily be "upgraded" to Very Rare.

Some balance comments

The thing with your sword is that is is extremely unreliable. I understand that you wanted to make it unreliable, but I feel you may have gone too far on it. In particular, as I mentioned in the comments, using d20 as the hit dice is very uncommon. I would prefer it being 4d12 - it even deals a little more damage, but more importantly, it reduces the swinginess on the damage roll (see Central Limit Theorem). It is still very swingy in that it may break in the first trial or in the sixth, but, at least, the damage is a little more reliable. If you think this goes against your design philosophy, then keep the d20 as dice roll.

To illustrate the actual distribution of damage, while the average is 94.63, the standard deviation is 42.77, and the distribution looks like this: enter image description here

You are most likely dealing something around 40 to 80 damage with the sword, and sometimes boom, it lasts to deal more than 200.

Now, consider that consumable magic items are usually used in times of despair. This much unreliability makes the item considerably less powerful. It is clearly way better than an Uncommon item, but it may not be as close to Very Rare as you initially thought.

About critical hits

The reason that I did not want to consider critical hits is that it makes the comparison with other items meaningless. For an enemy that you will be hitting most of the time, the difference is negligible (e.g., AC = 12, Modifier = +8, the difference is 4 points of damage in average, up to 85.2 net damage), while for high AC, while the net total damage will be higher (e.g., AC = 24, net increase = 95.18), the problem is that now you are spending all your turns missing your attacks and dealing actually no damage at all, and then when you hit, you deal lots of damage. Meanwhile, the guy using his Fireballs from the Necklace will be doing a way higher average DPR, because it is actually doing damage every round. Also, if you are facing an enemy that you can only hit on critical hits, you are most likely doing something wrong, because Bounded Accuracy pretty much prevents this scenario.

The only situation where I can see the sword actually approaching Very Rare power levels is if you consider the scenario of an Assassination Rogue using it and you manage to consistently get Surprise, or you can consistently get Unconscious or Paralyzed enemies, forcing automatic critical effects. Then, the massive damage from the dice rolls will be more relevant. But then again, I doubt these are the scenarios the players will be willing to use their magic items on - it's more likely they would like to try it in the Big Boss that is fully awaken and its 8 minion thugs.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Did I go too far with the math? I went too far with the math, didn't I? 3 AM, time to sleep. \$\endgroup\$
    – HellSaint
    Jun 27, 2020 at 7:19
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    \$\begingroup\$ No, I think this question warranted having some maths tossed at it. \$\endgroup\$
    – Cubic
    Jun 27, 2020 at 8:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks for the further discussion on the unreliability and the psychology of using an unreliable consumable item (usually in times of need). 10% <10 damage vs 1% chance <18 for 8d6/4d12 is a reasonable argument for standard d12s over novelty. \$\endgroup\$
    – Cireo
    Jun 27, 2020 at 16:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ @JoelHarmon Fixed the " turns", it should be "attacks". Thanks! \$\endgroup\$
    – HellSaint
    Jun 29, 2020 at 16:13

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