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While raging, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except for Balance, Escape Artist, Intimidate, and Ride), the Concentration skill, or any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells or activate magic items that require a command word, a spell trigger (such as a wand), or spell completion (such as a scroll) to function.

I would really like to activate a wand while raging, but as far as I can tell, there is no feature out there that lets you.

Rage mage doesn’t; spell rage allows spellcasting, but not magic item use. Righteous Wrath also fails to do it, at least explicitly; Righteous Wrath actually kind of fails to do anything at all despite the description, since the only things it explicitly allows are things raging never caused a problem with in the first place.

So, without making assumptions about Righteous Wrath being interpreted generously, does anyone know of a way to activate a spell-trigger item while raging? Tricks to exit the rage and re-enter it are not answers; I want to cast the item’s spell while raging.

E6 is preferred; Epic is not allowed at all. Otherwise, any Wizards-of-the-Coast-published 3.5e materials, as well as 3.5e issues of Dragon and Dungeon, are acceptable. Third-party material, regardless of its licensing status, and homebrew material, regardless of its quality, are not acceptable (I am already aware of options that fit the bill from those categories; the point of this question is to avoid that). The form of the option doesn’t matter: feat, class feature, magic item, spell, whatever. I’d prefer not to have to multiclass for it but if that’s a way to do it, I want to know.

I’m not really looking for shenanigans; I’m hoping to find something that just says “you can use spell-trigger items in a rage.” I may accept RAW shenanigans, but only if they’re particularly air-tight and require neither DM assistance out-of-character, nor NPC assistance in-character. In short, please avoid anything that starts going “ask your DM to accept this dubious interpretation that might be there, if you squint.” Greater uses of wish and stuff like that are right out.

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The feat Rage Casting (Dragon #310 30) has stiff prerequisites: It requires 5 ranks in the skill Concentration; both the feats Combat Casting and Quicken Spell (Player's Handbook 92 and 98, respectively); the ability frenzy or rage; and the ability to cast 1st-level spells. The feat has the following benefit:

When raging, you can cast spells that you can cast as a free action. This includes spells that have been quickened with the Quicken Spell feat. You can also activate magic items by spell trigger, spell completion, or command word.

The reader is urged to ask the DM what's to be done about this feat's benefit's first two sentences, but the meaning of the feat's third sentence—and our real interest in the feat so far as this question is concerned—is clarified by the feat's Normal entry that, in part, says, "When raging, a barbarian cannot cast spells or use a magic item activated by a spell trigger, spell completion, or command word."

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  • \$\begingroup\$ That’s amazing, perfect, thanks. \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Jul 30 at 17:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KRyan You're welcome. Just be careful with its first two sentences. We know what it means ("While raging you can cast spells if those spells have a casting time of 1 free, immediate, or swift action"), but that's not what it says ("While raging you can cast spells, and your spells are cast as if their casting times were 1 free action"). It's a bit of a mess grammatically. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Jul 30 at 17:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ Oh sure; I have to imagine that was done primarily because swift and immediate actions hadn’t been invented yet, and Quicken Spell resulted in free actions, which is also what spells like feather fall used. \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Jul 30 at 17:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KRyan It's not that the language is outdated but that the language the feat does use can be read wildly: When raging, you can cast spells that you can cast as a free action means that either you still probably can't cast spells because you can't cast spells while raging but if you could then all those spells' casting times are now a free action and that's dumb or when raging you can cast your spells as a free action and that's crazy. Again, we know what the feat actually means, but what it says is egregiously ambiguous. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Jul 31 at 6:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ I mean, what we know it means is also a thing that words written there could mean. They could have “spells that you can cast as a free action” as the object of the verb “can cast” there, and then that’s... a complicated hoop to jump through. But yeah, I can see your other interpretations and that ambiguity is nuts. \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Jul 31 at 12:00
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No, not even Pun Pun possesses the other-worldly might to do what you ask.

The closest you could get would be to have a familiar activate items at your behest. While a familiar is technically an NPC, it must obey every command you issue. Thus, if the familiar is capable of using the spell triggered item, then you could activate it by proxy by telling the familiar to activate it.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ We expect answers to be a bit longer and more fleshed out. An answer addressing ways to get magic items activated for you (especially if you could somehow count as the activator) certainly may be worthwhile, but this answer doesn't go into that nearly enough at present. \$\endgroup\$ – Please stop being evil Jul 30 at 5:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ A familiar is explicitly an NPC, which was explicitly not what I wanted. This is not a valid answer to the question under its own parameters. \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Jul 30 at 12:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ C'est la vie. Hopefully one of the other answers will be more helpful. \$\endgroup\$ – Wannabe Warlock Jul 30 at 16:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ (Hah, sorry; tried to be disengaged and factual in an effort to not leak negative emotions from other matters into my response; may have come across as terse. Your Pun-pun thing amuses me, though—because there’s an argument to be made that he could, actually, not that Pun-pun or that argument is a valid answer to this question either.) \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Jul 30 at 16:41
  • \$\begingroup\$ @kryan No worries. though I would be curious to see what the argument for allowing pun pun to activate spell trigger items while raging is. It's a hard block on the ability. \$\endgroup\$ – Wannabe Warlock Jul 30 at 16:57

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