# How big is a 5000 gp diamond? [duplicate]

I play a teleportation and extra dimensional sorcerer in my group and I'm getting close to obtaining the spell Gate which requires "a diamond worth at least 5,000 gp". How big would a diamond worth 5000 gp be?

My reason for asking is that I want to place the diamond on top of my legendary staff, and the size definitely dictates whether I can or can not do so.

## 6 Answers

Keep in mind that in real life (which may be compared to dnd only spuriously) qualities such as clarity, cut and sometimes even history can affect a diamond's value.

Now on to dnd 5th edition. In the Dungeon of the Mad Mage there is a 5000gp valued diamond. It is described as

a fist-sized diamond

So there is at least one canon-described diamond. However, it is only described in general.

• I like this answer because it references published 5th edition material, but I dislike this answer because a diamond the size of a fist should be rare enough even in Waterdeep to be worth more than 5000 gp. – tbrookside Aug 27 '20 at 17:50
• As it is only mentioned to be involved in some mechanism. And no other description is given, it could be argued that it is a rough, possibly even cracked and cloudy diamond that is fist sized. And not a flawless gemstone suitable for jewelry. But thats all fluff. – Daveman Aug 27 '20 at 17:56
• @tbrookside It's a halfling's fist. – Zibbobz Aug 28 '20 at 12:42

### About 5000 gp big.

The primary in game identifier for diamonds is their value, so this is a question for your DM. Since your DM is the one responsible for world-building, it is up to them how the people of the world relate to valuable gems and place value on their size. There is no such relationship described in general in any campaign setting or rulebook.

To illustrate this point, consider this rule about selling gems found in chapter 5 of the Player's Handbook:

These items retain their full value in the marketplace, and you can either trade them in for coin or use them as currency for other transactions. For exceptionally valuable treasures, the DM might require you to find a buyer in a large town or larger community first.

The important takeaway here is: their full value at the marketplace is the value referenced in the description of costly spell components. If a diamond would fetch less than 5000 gp at the marketplace, it is not suitable for casting a spell requiring a 5000 gp diamond.

So the question a DM must consider when valuing a diamond is:

Since the value of gems is always exchangeable for exactly their value in gold, how much does this diamond fetch at market?

This is the first concern when evaluating diamonds, and any further description is narrative.

### Some campaign-specific examples.

Now, in Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage on page 2301, a certain diamond is described:

Pedestal. In the middle of the room, two mind flayers grip the top of a 4-foot-tall, three-sided crystal pedestal with a fist-sized diamond floating 1 foot above it.

We are later told:

Treasure. The diamond is worth 5,000 gp.

So this particular diamond in this particular setting and context is worth 5000 gp and about fist sized, but your DM's setting may be different.

Additionally, in Storm King's Thunder, there is a magic item called a Blod Stone (pg. 233). In its description, we do get a single adjective to point us in the right direction:

This item is made from a large diamond worth at least 5,000 gp.

So a 5000 gp diamond may be described as large, at least in relation to other diamonds, whatever that means.

1Level 17, section 16, "Old Dwarven Halls".

• In the real world, the cost of diamonds rises much more rapidly than their overall size. So a 5000 gp diamond might only weigh slightly more than a 100 gp diamond. – tbrookside Aug 27 '20 at 15:58
• For reference, diamond in real life can range from about $0.30 (low-grade industrial) to$200 (high grade industrial) to $1,300 (low quality jewelry) to a massive$30,925 (high quality jewelry) per carat based on quality, type, and intended use. The cost also doesn't scale linearly, so a 0.5 carat diamond may be worth $800/carat, while a 3.6 carat diamond of the same quality may be worth$1,200/carat. – BaconyRevanant Aug 27 '20 at 17:27
• Also, in the real world, the gemstone market isn't influenced by wizards buying them as spell components. There could very well be diamonds that cost 5000 gp just because they're suitable for casting gate, and not because of their size at all. – Mark Wells Aug 27 '20 at 18:42
• Keep in mind also, fist-sized isn't exactly a standard unit. It could vary from the size of a tennis ball to the size of a softball. – Allan Mills Aug 27 '20 at 20:08
• Economy and magic are fun. A cleric pleads with the rogue for a diamond to raise the fallen fighter, Here's what I got, as he produces a tiny spec that couldn't be worth more than 50gp in a marketplace. Thats far too small, I can't pay you 500gp for that! Supply and Demand, I'm the only market in 1000 miles, replies the rogue. Realizing they were in the feywild, he had no choice. He paid the 500g for the gem and cast raise dead... does it work? – Daveman Aug 27 '20 at 20:39

The value of gemstones in real life is complicated and somewhat subjective. In general, a small stone with good clarity, color, and other attributes (such as cut and "fire", depending on the kind of stone) will be much more valuable than a far larger stone with inferior characteristics. For example, a diamond that's somewhat milky or cloudy and full of inclusions (that is, dark specks of rock trapped inside the gem) is often considered a trash stone and can be had for less than a tenth the price of a decently clear gem of the same size. In many cases, an unusual tint can elevate the value of a diamond, such as the famous deep blue Hope diamond, which could almost be confused for sapphire. And that's to say nothing of accusations that diamond companies artificially inflate the value of their product by withholding the majority of the supply they produce.

While the game is not necessarily reflective of real life, it seems reasonable that in-game gems will vary in quality in the same ways, and that such variations will affect their value similarly.

So, in game terms, a 5000 gp diamond might be relatively small but absolutely perfect, or might be a huge softball-sized rock that's inferior in every way save its sheer size. It's really up to the DM to decide how big the stone should be (when it even matters), and it doesn't need to be consistent from one diamond to the next.

• So, get a monopoly on diamonds in your local area and start charging 5000gp for a 100g diamond, in order to allow for cheaper teleportation spells! – Erin B Aug 28 '20 at 13:20
• There's an Order of the Stick strip where a wizard gets a discount for diamond dust at the magic component store and then has to go back for more because the spell required a certain price – Rad80 Aug 28 '20 at 13:41
• @ErinB While I get the joke, teleport doesn't require an expensive component. Were you thinking of gate? (Also keep in mind that gate doesn't consume the component, so you only ever need one such stone unless it's lost or stolen.) – Darth Pseudonym Aug 28 '20 at 14:43
• Is the description it specifies the Gate spell. – Admiral-Nelson Aug 28 '20 at 16:07
• while I'm not really willing to get into it, @DarthPseudonym, I feel like instantly travelling through space, no matter how, is teleportation, regardless of what you use it for. – Erin B Aug 28 '20 at 19:27

How big is 1 gp?

There's a rule of thumb that 50 gp is 1 lb gold. That means 5000 gp is equivalent to 100 lbs or roughly 1460 troy ounces. The current price of gold is about $1950 per troy ounce, so we arrive at$2.85M as the expected price of such a diamond in our world.

The Allnatt is supposedly worth about $3M and is ~100 carats. However next on that list is a 5 carat diamond valued at$7M so clearly there are factors beside size. But if we consider primarily the size, Wikipedia gives us a formula correlating price and size, so based on this we would expect about a 50 carat diamond for $2.8M. Obviously the price of gold, the value and purity of gold currency, the average price per carat of small and unremarkable diamonds, the color and cut of the diamond, the history and notoriety of the particular article in question are all very important unknowns and could vary widely depending on your particular setting. But without any further knowledge about your setting, it's probably fair to say that you are looking at a diamond in the 10-100 carat range. 50 ct is therefore a decent estimate. A 50 ct diamond is 10 g, and if diamond has a density of 3.5 g/cm3 we get a volume of 2.86 cm3. If this was a perfect sphere, it would be about 1.8 cm across (other shapes will be larger along the longest axis). So not quite fist sized as others have proposed, but perhaps the size of a plum. One thing I always wondered is whether the spell draws power from the value of the diamond or its quantity. In the latter case, presumably the quality and cut of the diamond is not terribly important. You would imagine mages buying up large, low quality rough diamonds to cut costs. Perhaps they could even create a magical version of the process we use to manufacture synthetic diamonds. I personally feel it's more plausible, and more exciting, if the spell doesn't care how big the diamond is, but rather the value attached to it by intelligent creatures. In that case, the physical size of the diamond is minor detail, and the real question is how much the magician believes himself to be sacrificing. It is then an open question whether the spell would still work when unwittingly attempted with a counterfeit diamond, or whether the object must have had a sufficiently long history of being valued by different people in order to serve as a suitable spell component. • Excellent answer, +1 for density calculations and comparisons to a human fist. Two additional useful points of data: The largest rough diamond ever found (the Cullinan) came out to about 176 cc volume. The volume of an adult male hand is roughly 375 cc in comparison. – Novak Aug 28 '20 at 19:26 • Great post. But: I think you're using the linked Wikipedia article's base example of a 1-carat diamond for$1000, when that's a simplification that doesn't reflect actual markets. This site notes a price for a mid-level quality 1 carat diamond as $7600 in 2020. So I think that would push your estimated value in the area of$20M, similar to the Steinmetz Pink diamond of about the same size. (Of course, my answer's estimate has different assumptions about the "gold piece" and comes out much less, but that's a separate issue.) – Daniel R. Collins Aug 29 '20 at 4:11
• Also, 1.8 cm seems more like a grape than a plum to me. – Daniel R. Collins Aug 29 '20 at 4:26

This is an adjunct of @Chris' excellent calculations, with a different set of assumptions, but a final answer in the same order-of-magnitude. In summary: I'm estimating a much lower overall value, but roughly the same physical size as his estimate.

I wouldn't start by just translating the current value of gold, but rather with a broader look at the whole D&D economic system. Working from original D&D sources in the past, my best estimate is that what's listed as 1 gp value in the books roughly correlates to about a half-shilling of real-world medieval purchasing power. (In 1E PHB Gygax defended standard prices as reflecting a hyper-inflated adventuring area, and those assumptions were baked into the system ever after.) See my blog here.

Using this site reports that 1 shilling in 1270 had the purchasing power of 36 pounds sterling in 2017. This site reports that on this date in 2017, a British pound was worth 1.20 U.S. dollars. So we would estimate that a 5000 gp gem is worth 5000 gp × 0.5 s/gp × 36 £/s × 1.20 $/£ =$108,000 in modern terms.

Looking at this site for current wholesale diamond prices currently shows 1 carat, with color H and mid-range clarity VVS2, at a price of $5,327. (For more information see here.) If we use Tavernier's law that @Chris linked to in reverse, then we get a weight of √(108,000 / 5,327) = 4.5 carats. Finally, this site states that the most popular 3 carat round diamond has a face-up area (by which I assume it means width) of about 9 mm. If the overall dimensions vary by the cube-root of the volume, then we'd get a face width of (4.5)^(1/3) × 9 mm = 1.65 × 9 = 15 mm = 1.5 cm. That's about a half-inch, or around the size of a grape. As established here, we can use a general formula for Carat to gold value for normal sized diamonds. the weight in carat is somewhere between $$\ 0.0454 \times \text{price in gp}\$$ and $$\0.0119\times\text{price in gp}\$$. So a 5000 gp diamond would, under that formula, be between 59.5 and 227 carat. However, both weights are far beyond what is traded under normal pricing. The formula doesn't work for those. These are exceptional large stones. No, we need to look up a different pricing and sizing area. We know, as established on the other answer, that 5000 gp would be equivalent to somewhere between 1 (modern coins) and 5-million (1st edition coins) in USD. From the same source quoted there: •$200,000 – \$999,999 Diamonds in this price range tend to be greater than 3-carats (though not always) and will require a customized setting (standard settings generally accommodate up to three carats).

We are talking perfect diamonds of above 3 carats. We are talking exceptional stones. Really exceptional stones. Large stones. Such as this 10-carat blue diamond worth approx 10k gp in old coin, and 50k in new ones. And if you look for a diamond worth pretty much exactly 1-million USD, there had been a VVS2, color E, triple excellent, no fluorescence, 10 carat stone for sale in 2018.