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I am DMing a homebrew campaign in the Forgotten Realms. The subplot involving the cleric is heavily linked to the past history and current situation of some of the gods. I am now interested in the fate of Cyric.

In the Year of Blue Fire (1385 DR), Cyric, with the aid of Shar, murdered Mystra, causing the Spellplague. We can read in The Grand History of the Realms (page 159) that

Tyr, Lathander, and Sune move against Cyric and successfully imprison the Black Sun in his Supreme Throne, under a sentence of house arrest to last one thousand years.

This is confirmed in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (page 74) for D&D 4th edition:

Tyr, Lathander, and Sune united to imprison him in his nightmarish playhouse of a plane, the Supreme Throne, where he remains to this day, alone and increasingly insane.

I read to this day as the Year of the Ageless One, i.e. 1479 DR, as written in the same guide at the very beginning of the introduction via Elminster's words. The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide sets the current year to 1489 DR; only 104 years has passed since Cyric was imprisoned. On page 27, there is only a little paragraph about Cyric and his church, without any details about his imprisonment.

I wonder what the consequences of Cyric's imprisonment on his church and worshippers are, since it seems there are none. Is Cyric actually free, and he can roam wherever he wants? Or is he still trapped in the Supreme Throne? Is his power diminished? Can he talk to / communicate with his worshippers?


I know that it is a homebrew campaign and (theoretically) I can do whatever I want, but I prefer to be as faithful as possible to the official campaign setting.

If you have any details coming from current adventures (Princes of Apocalypse, Rise of Tiamat, etc.), please use the spoiler formatting.

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    \$\begingroup\$ 1489 is only 104 years after 1385. Cyric still has 895 years on his sentence, and nothing I've seen mentions him specifically after his imprisonment. His worshipers still exist (in reduced numbers) and get up to various evil shenanigans, but I've yet to see him mentioned. Why do you think he's free? \$\endgroup\$ – ValhallaGH Sep 8 at 22:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ValhallaGH My big (math) mistake, due to the late hour! I correct it. Nonetheless, I was wondering what are the consequences of the imprisonment: is his power diminished? Can he talk/communicate with its worshippers? \$\endgroup\$ – Eddymage Sep 8 at 22:35
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Unless he is released, he is barred from direct involvement with anything outside his plane, (he should still be able to communicate, send messages, visions, and anything he could normally do from within his divine domain. He just can't leave it in any capacity.) His clerics might still gain spells from him, but he isn't present in the realm in any capacity, sealed in his own divine plane. When Gods and demi-gods are very real and able to directly involve themselves in the lives of their people, not being able to support and protect your followers can put severe strain on the God×Worshipper relationship. His influence may falter a bit, but gods are sustained by both the number and zeal of their devotees. Evil deities in particular might not have the same mass of followers as some of the good or neutral gods, but the tenacity and vigor of what few they have ( as they commit horrendously evil sacraments ) is enough for them to be on equal footing to the other greater powers.

Currently, his worship has diminished. If nobody worships or venerates him, he will become a vestige (dead power) and his petrified god-form will float in the astral plane until he is awakened (as a diminutive-god) or completely dissolved.

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    \$\begingroup\$ I agree with @ValhallaGH: can you provide refs for saying that he can't interact directly with worshippers? I recall too that gods gain power from the number of their worshippers from the Time of Troubles, but is this still true? I remember somewhere (I can't find the ref) that it seems that this rule has been discarded. However, I found very interesting the final fate when a god has no more worshippers (petrification and lost in the astral plane): where did you find this info? \$\endgroup\$ – Eddymage Sep 9 at 7:07
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Eddymage I think the Githzerai live on a petrified god corpse. See MToF, p. 91. It's not a whole lot of information, though. \$\endgroup\$ – PixelMaster Sep 9 at 11:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @PixelMaster thanks for the reference! I still have to read MToF, it seems quite interesting. Indeed, they live on a petrified god's corpse, but there are no indication on how it was petrified... \$\endgroup\$ – Eddymage Sep 9 at 13:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ A lot of obscure lore comes from older edition books and Dragon magazine. I'll try to find the links, but there are some YouTubers that scour these articles and pages (some fulltime) and present them in a comprehensive format. A J Pickett is one such channel, and I highly recommend checking him out youtube.com/c/AJPickett \$\endgroup\$ – Aaron Sep 10 at 7:55
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    \$\begingroup\$ The lore behind the gods is messy. Each crystal sphere has an overgod that makes sure the gods are doing their jobs. In Realmspace, the gods used to gain power by defeating other gods and absorbing their portfolio and taking over their worship. Now, the gods power are dependant on their worshippers, to give incentive for them to take care of the mortals. If you're a god, and your followers end up on another crystal sphere, they typically get spells from a diety that is the closest reflection of you, but they can spread your religion enough for you to make an aspect and join a pantheon there \$\endgroup\$ – Aaron Sep 10 at 8:43

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