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Although the Demonic and Diabolic bloodlines in Pathfinder 2e grant access to the divine spell list, I don't see any character alignment requirements, as there are for a cleric. If a diabolic sorcerer uses divine lance or some other spell that causes aligned damage, what alignment will that damage be? Devils are lawful evil, but I see no reason the character couldn't be chaotic good, and that character might worship a god that has no relationship to their bloodline.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Are you interested specifically in Divine Lance or are you looking for an answer comprehensive to the Divine list for Sorcerers? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 12:42
  • \$\begingroup\$ I was using Divine Lance as an example. There are many spells on the Divine list that do aligned damage, and I expect they would all follow the same rules. \$\endgroup\$
    – papidave
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 21:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ In what comments have you seen this information, and what do you mean by your third example? \$\endgroup\$
    – Akixkisu
    Commented Aug 22, 2021 at 11:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ @papidave Just as terminology: we're moderators not admins, and if you need us to do something, raise a flag (it's under the question next to share, edit, etc.). We aren't likely to catch every comment, especially not on a quiet question. \$\endgroup\$
    – Someone_Evil
    Commented Aug 24, 2021 at 0:19
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Akixkisu sorry - extra text was intended for clarification but just caused issues. I removed it. My third point was that sorcerers don't have to have a god - they could e.g. be atheists per page 440, but not if they want to cast spells with aligned damage. \$\endgroup\$
    – papidave
    Commented Aug 24, 2021 at 0:55

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Use your Deity's alignment, not yours nor demon/devils'

Per the answer to a related question (and the fact that angelic bloodline provides the similar spell spiritual weapon specifically), there is no problem with Divine Sorcerers casting such spells. Each such spell references "your deity", not the character's own alignment, so they will use whichever Deity their player selected.


It's always a good idea to talk with your GM about rules that contradict the narrative. They may adjust rules to fit what they feel makes sense (in this case, potentially limiting your divine lance to evil and lawful/chaotic and making your spiritual weapon appear Abyssal in origin) or else tying them to your personal alignment. Good GM's will also take into account how you perceive the narrative.

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    \$\begingroup\$ This is the correct-by-rules answer. It's one that I would argue should be houseruled to be based on the origin of your sorcerous bloodline (because that's what would make sense, as it is the origin of your powers) but by the rules, this is correct. \$\endgroup\$
    – Ben Barden
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 14:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yeah I considered opening with "depends on the GM". Maybe I should throw in a p.s. to make sure to open with a conversation so players and GM's are on the same page regarding spell origin \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 16:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @BenBarden Eh, I can definitely imagine magic metaphysics for this answer to make sense. For example, these spells are literally converting your beliefs into a weapon—so even though the divine energy to power the spell comes from an evil source, if you are good that evil source’s power is enjoying your good beliefs. It can make sense either way, it’s just a matter of deciding which way your game works. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 17:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KRyan but it doesn't work that way if you somehow manage to be a good worshipper of an evil god? If you're a CG worshipper of Arazni or a NG worshipper of Raumya with the Angelic bloodline, then it blasts as Evil? I mean, you can justify anything, but.... \$\endgroup\$
    – Ben Barden
    Commented Aug 20, 2021 at 18:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ Every rules question could be answered with "depends on the GM", so I think that's implied in any answer. The problem with divine-casting sorcerers is that they don't need to have a deity at all to gain access to that spell list. \$\endgroup\$
    – papidave
    Commented Aug 21, 2021 at 21:22

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