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Finally, the equipment tables make no mention of spell scrolls, so they cannot be bought by default.

The real reason magic items and spells cannot be bought by default is of course that D&D is an adventure game, not a market simulation.

Magic items are gleaned from the hoards of conquered monsters or discovered in long-lost vaults. (DMG p. 135)

Finding scrolls and winning spell books from evil wizards (or salvaging them from their tombs) is a great incentive for wizard character players to go adventuring. It rewards them with new powers for the risks they are taking.

There is also accepted precedent that the game intends for wizards to be unwilling to share their magic.

This however seems inconsistent with other assumptions in the core rules:

Spellcasting Services

Hiring someone to cast a relatively common spell of 1st or 2nd level, such as cure wounds or identify, is easy enough in a city or town, and might cost 10 to 50 gold pieces (plus the cost of any expensive material components). (p. 159 PHB)

This indicates wizards of up to 3rd level are easily found in cities and towns, and that they are willing in principle to provide their abilities in exchange for gold.

Even higher level spells may be obtained. The description indicates that pure finanical payment may be insufficient for those:

Finding someone able and willing to cast a higher-level spell might involve traveling to a large city, perhaps one with a university or prominent temple. Once found, the spellcaster might ask for a service instead of payment—the kind of service that only adventurers can provide.

Scrolls

Wizards able to cast 2nd level spells also would be able to craft common items such as cantrips or first level scrolls.

Even Adventurer's Leage allows scribing of scrolls, for PCs, and if PCs can do so certainly NPC wizards can do likewise. That

Even uncommon items can't be easily created. (p. 135 DMG)

is certainly not true for spell scrolls.

And while the core crafting system makes it more costly to write scrolls than what their gp value is, player character wizards would often be willing to pay a higher price for access to new spells for leftover useless gold.

Spellbook copying

Even worse, between two wizards there is NO NEED to engage in costly scroll crafting to trade spells. They can just copy them from each other's spellbooks for free to both increase their arsenal (except for the cost for ink that you always have -- it costs nothing to get access to the spell).

There is really little that my groups' wizard player characters would like better than copying new spells in town, for payment, or even better for lettimg the town mage copy some of theirs, which would cost them nothing. Every new town the first stop is the town mage to see if he has any spells to sell or copy.

If it is so desirable for PC wizards, why would NPC wizards not have the same compulsion?

Why are there no spell trading fairs? After all, knowledge only grows when it is shared, to the benefit of all involved.

Spells should be on sale in some form in a world where wizards are relatively common.

By what in-game logic is there no market for wizard spells?

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    \$\begingroup\$ What rule says that it's impossible to share spells with other Wizards? Or are you basing it on just the lack of a simple table with costs per spell/level/school/whatever? I'd say the rules are pretty clear that you can copy spells if someone lets you; whether someone lets you is based on the world you're living in. \$\endgroup\$
    – Erik
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    \$\begingroup\$ You answered your own question at the beginning D&D is an adventure game, not a market simulation Given that each DM will make more or fewer items available for sale (IME) based on how they want their world to work, your presumption of a standard structure like that is false, or invalid, assumption around which to build a question. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 3, 2022 at 16:02
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    \$\begingroup\$ If you tag this question as lore and pick a particular setting like forgotten realms, it might be answered. \$\endgroup\$
    – ZwiQ
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    \$\begingroup\$ This argument/rant doesn't fit our Q&A style — consider using a forum: rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5449/… \$\endgroup\$
    – Akixkisu
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    \$\begingroup\$ I’m voting to close this question because it either asks for designer reasons or is primarily-opinion-based. The recent answer explicitly makes assumptions about the designers' intentions and explains that it had to refrain from giving opinion answers \$\endgroup\$ Feb 4, 2022 at 12:47

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Magic Item Shoppes

5th Edition D&D's various rulebooks both make mention of magic items for sale (such as in Waterdeep in the Forgotten Realms) and vaguely discourage making magic items available for sale as a GM, in a few different ways.

Why this is this way is a complicated question involving previous editions of D&D, player expectations, GM laziness, solutions used in other ttrpgs, but can be largely boiled down to that 5e's design is largely intentionally vague - they wanted Wealth-By-Level and spiraling GP costs gone, but also not to offend or annoy anyone who liked playing Dungeons and Shopping Trips, so they vaguely said 'don't do this' but not very strongly and left it fairly open to people still allowing magic items to be bought for money.

Like most of 5e's rules design, there is no real in-game logic. Many things don't make sense if you invoke that dread god Physics, much less their siblings - Economics, Biology, or (gasp) Sociology.

Spells therefore have no listed price to be cast on your behalf (or copied), which they have had in previous editions, largely due to this expelling of WBL and decoupling of gold from 'power'.

Is there an in-universe explanation for why there would be no generally acceptable rate of exchange for copying spells or buying spell scrolls? Sure. There's probably dozens. Ask any GM and they likely will come up with some reason, or just have spells often traded in their world instead. I had to resist the urge to list a half-dozen just now, because after a while world-building gets ingrained in the bone. But those in-universe reasons will differ from table to table, and I've seen no official party line on the subject - just a few scattered tweets that seem to be just 'GM makes up some stuff' answers themselves.

The actual reason the rules don't list prices for spells, copying spells, or spell scrolls is because of complaints about Wealth-By-Level systems and 5e's general design philosophy of going back to the simpler (and vaguer) 'GM makes it up' rules like those in 2e. Spells = magic, magic = magic items, magic items = no prices, is probably the thought process (if any).

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you, this is very helpful perpective about the design process (and politics) of 5e. Just one small comment, while 1e and 2e actively advised against that magic items could be simply bought, they did have individual prices for all of the magic items, which incidentially made it a lot easier to compare relative power or cost out crafting in a reasonable way, than what 5e offers. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 4, 2022 at 8:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ Also, why go adventuring to find spells and arcane magic if you can just buy them at the local shop. The whole point of the PC is to Adventure (Nice answer) \$\endgroup\$ Jul 31, 2022 at 17:50
  • \$\begingroup\$ Ed Greenwood has commented that for FR the amount of interesting magical items produced (eg not healing potions) are in the hundreds per year, because wizards are not industrial producers. He's also said that buying or selling magical items in a big city like Waterdeep isn't that hard, but should still be a role playing experience, eg not a simple shop. \$\endgroup\$ Aug 1, 2022 at 13:37

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