Could a rogue with Hide in Plain sight (SP- e.g. shadowdancer) (HiPs) cast on themselves the spell light just to create shadows to hide in?

Reading "light and darkness" in the rule compendium 79 it appears clear that someone can hide even in an area of bright light.

In an area of bright light, most creatures can see clearly. A creature can’t hide in an area of bright light unless it is invisible, has concealment, or has cover.

A shadowdancer with Hide in Plain sight, can hide in an area with light, as long as there is a shadow.

Some backgrounds on why I ask this question:

The description of HiPs (e.g. shadow dancer) does not specify the size of shadow needed to hide. Following this line of thougths, even the shadow produced by an ant inside an empty room, whose the ceiling is affected by the spell light, would be enough for the rogue with HiPs to hide in plain sight. From this line of thoughts we agreed that any spell that makes light is useless to spot someone using HiPs as they specify that the light bursts from the target.

In our party we concluded many years ago that there would only be one situation in which there would not be any shadow to hide, this being an empty space that has light coming from any direction.

For such reason we agreed to limit the versatility of HiPs and house ruled HiPs saying that the size of the shadow would need to be at least half the size of the player who uses HiPs.

Said so, I only recently imagined that in case there were no shadows of the needed size a rogue could possibly create shadows by casting light on themselves move close to someone or something, even quite small, as "light" would then propagate a considerably bigger shadow...

  • \$\begingroup\$ (Note that the light spell can normally be only cast on an object. However, this is a game wherein you can play a sentient sandwich, so, y'know, whatever.) \$\endgroup\$ Mar 19, 2022 at 8:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ hahahahahahahah. I love the idea in this question that a rogue would walk around emanating bright that controversially helps them to hide. In regards to "light", ok lets say they did cast a spell like light, e.g. Radiance or Nimbus of light. \$\endgroup\$
    – Digius
    Mar 19, 2022 at 9:11

1 Answer 1


No one knows.

The phrasing in the hide in plain sight ability found on the assassin and shadowdancer prestige classes, among others, is notoriously unclear. Many, many lengthy arguments on the subject can be found all over the Internet, and none of them ever come to any definitive conclusion.

Sorry, but this is a question for the DM of the game, and basically comes down to whether or not they want it to work. There’s just nothing else to go on.

  • \$\begingroup\$ thank you for your reply. We have been having many discussions in our party as nealry all the players and myself as the DM consider HiPs quite OP. the rogue using HiPs is simply impossible to be challenged (HiPs is a perfect for both defense and attack ). To give you some background the party of 5 people only have one spell caster (cleric), the others are a warrior, a rogue built to be a skillmonkey a monk and then there is the rogue using HiPs. \$\endgroup\$
    – Digius
    Mar 20, 2022 at 2:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Digius How to counter HiPS is a separate question, but I can assure you that it can be done. Also, it is extremely expensive to get. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Mar 20, 2022 at 16:58
  • \$\begingroup\$ I have opened a new question in regards to this, thank you. \$\endgroup\$
    – Digius
    Mar 22, 2022 at 4:15

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .