16
\$\begingroup\$

I'm thinking about my vampire organization - if they have placed a coffin inside a bag of holding (sized to fit) and then climb inside, do they have a portable place to rest?

\$\endgroup\$
15
  • 5
    \$\begingroup\$ its worth considering how heavy soil is, and how much a coffin might weigh. A bag of holding, by RAW, holds a max of 500 lbs. A modern casket weighs 150-250 lbs; a simple wooden coffin would be significantly less, but still probably 50 lbs minimum. Soil is about 100lbs/cubic foot. So an area 2ft x 6ft will weigh 100lbs for every inch of soil depth. The "significant" amount of grave dirt is vague on quantity required. It's also not clear by RAW if a creature inside a bag of holding can extract themselves, or if another creature needs to take an action to remove them. \$\endgroup\$
    – RisingZan
    Feb 5, 2023 at 19:10
  • 3
    \$\begingroup\$ By sized to fit, do you mean a custom bag of holding that is bigger, or a tiny coffin? \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 5, 2023 at 21:57
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ This seems very convenient but it leaves me wondering, during the day, who is left holding the bag? \$\endgroup\$ Feb 6, 2023 at 4:47
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Hmm, @DavidCoffron , are the rules silent on vampires who were buried under a stone cairn on hard ground? That's another traditional burial custom that doesn't involve soil or caskets \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 6, 2023 at 8:21
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ @Alan: Perhaps that burial custom would be more popular if people knew it prevented the person from rising as a vampire :P \$\endgroup\$ Feb 6, 2023 at 14:25

4 Answers 4

19
\$\begingroup\$

What the book says: this will work

As long as the vampire moves some grave dirt or their coffin they can rest. The Monster Manual says:

Chained to the Grave. Every vampire remains bound to its coffin, crypt, or grave site, where it must rest by day... A vampire can move its place of burial by transporting its coffin or a significant amount of grave dirt to another location. Some vampires set up multiple resting places this way.

A vampire is bound to their grave site whether that be a coffin or just the dirt they were buried in. These materials must be moved to the bag of holding to create a new resting place within.

It's your world

Vampires have different rules in a number of different fictional worlds. The rules a vampire abides by in your world can have whatever rules you set to them.

\$\endgroup\$
1
  • 7
    \$\begingroup\$ This answer would be better if it also cited the relevant Bag of Holding text that imposes limits on creatures surviving inside. (But yes, I looked it up and your analysis seems correct to me.) \$\endgroup\$
    – Tom
    Feb 5, 2023 at 19:44
15
\$\begingroup\$

You will need to decide what 'by day' means inside the bag

Other answers have confirmed that the physical dimensions of the bag are sufficient and that the vampire does not need air. The bag also has a weight limit, but there is only so far we can take that analysis since we do not know how much a vampire weighs.

However, there is a final variable that has not yet been addressed. A vampire's chained to the grave feature makes its rest interact with cycles of day and night in some specific way.

Chained to the Grave. Every vampire remains bound to its coffin, crypt, or grave site, where it must rest by day.

The use of 'must' here is odd. The most natural English reading would be that a vampire or vampire spawn is, during the day, required to return to its 'grave site'. And yet we know that this is not true; vampires in official products can be active during the day, so long as they remain careful to not be exposed to direct sunlight.

The vampires and vampire spawn in Curse of Strahd, for example (bearing in mind that the sunlight of Barovia is so weak that it does not harm them), can be found resting in coffins during the day but may also be found explictly active during the day.

Thus, it seems like what 'must' means in this context is that 'if a vampire or vampire spawn is going to receive the benefits of a rest, then it must be both during the day and while they are in their grave site'. They do eventually need to sleep, and although they are not required to take a rest any more than than any other creature (unless they have been defeated), in order to rest they must fulfil certain conditions.'

So, when vampires choose to (or are forced to) rest, they must do so by day. Which brings us back to the bag of holding, because the inside of the bag is an extradimensional space. As such, it is not under the influence of the day and night cycles of the separate world in which the exterior of the bag exists. The inside of the bag shares a common time with the outside, but it is a different place with no sun, day, night, or dawn.

So, if a vampire can only rest during the day, does it receive the benefits of a rest when it is in another dimension that lacks day and night? Is the presence of its grave site enough? Fortunately it is your world, so you get to make that decision.

\$\endgroup\$
4
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Nice point to add to the discourse \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 6, 2023 at 3:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ Wow, that is an impressive piece of reasoning. +1 Pretty much drove a stake in it, so to speak. I am troubled by a sense that whoever wrote the "Chained to the Grave" snippet failed to fully consider the ramifications against all the published materials. Maybe they just assume it's always 5pm, I mean daytime, somewhere. \$\endgroup\$
    – Jack
    Feb 29 at 1:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Jack Indeed \$\endgroup\$
    – Kirt
    Feb 29 at 1:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ Burial at sea . . . whole new set of issues. \$\endgroup\$
    – Jack
    Feb 29 at 1:25
9
\$\begingroup\$

Yes, vampires don’t breathe.

Vampires have the Undead Nature trait, which is unfortunately below, not in, their statblock in the Monster Manual:

Undead Nature. Neither a vampire nor a vampire spawn requires air.

Ergo, the environment inside a bag of holding poses no challenges for the vampire.

\$\endgroup\$
5
\$\begingroup\$

It depends on what you mean by "sized to fit"

The dimensions of a bag of holding are given as follows:

This bag has an interior space considerably larger than its outside dimensions, roughly 2 feet in diameter at the mouth and 4 feet deep. The bag can hold up to 500 pounds, not exceeding a volume of 64 cubic feet. The bag weighs 15 pounds, regardless of its Contents. Retrieving an item from the bag requires an Action.

So you are looking at cylinder with the opening being a 2 feet across circle and only going 4 feet down. According to this site , a typical casket has an exterior width of 29" and exterior length of 84", which is 5" too wide to fit through the opening and a full 3 feet too deep! These caskets have an interior dimensions of 24" wide by 79" long (6'7") and can fit someone up to 6'10" due to some compression/folding/etc.

There aren't explicit sizes listed for children's, only "anything smaller", but we have an exterior minus interior width of 5" and exterior minus interior length of 5", so we can assume the thickness of the wood/handles/etc add 2.5" in all directions. You could in theory skimp on this by having an ultra thin coffin, maybe made out of better materials. Say that takes you down to 1" in each direction, that saves you 4" of length and width. You'd have to lose 1" of width space on the inside, doable without much problem. But to get down to 48" total length with 1" top and bottom means 46" of interior length, compared to the standard 79". That's a reduction of almost 40%. Assuming that reduction scales directly to the height of a person it can handle, that would mean the 4 ft long external coffin (with tiny thin 1" walls) could only handle a vampire 49.8" tall, or 4 feet, 1.8". So...a small or child vampire?

Let's say you go the grave dirt dirt route instead. First, it's up to DM call just how much grave dirt you'll need in there. Then there's the fitting of the vampire. Squeezing into the 2 feet wide entrance, then crouching inside/folding themselves up to get under 4 feet in height while remaining no wider than 2 feet in any dimension is beyond the scope of my research right now, but assuming the vampire is relatively athletic and thin and perhaps has some contortionist training, it would probably be doable.

The other answers address the surviving the environment (Vampires don't need air, and just what does a vampire need to survive: Coffin or "grave dirt")

It also depends on just what the dimensions of the bag of holding are

as @MJ713 pointed out, the 2 foot radius 4 feet deep cylinder does not have the required 64 square feet of volume. 4 feet of depth would give 16 square feet of width, which given D&D's penchant for cubes and spheres, is most likely a 4 ft cube. If that is the case the radius is given just for the gateway of the bag. Then the actual longest dimension inside would be from two extreme corners, which gets you to 4 times the square root of 3 ft, or just over 83". So, if one is able to carefully lower the coffin into that notional cube, assuming that's what the DM rules the inside is past the narrow opening and into the longest dimension, a standard coffin would just about fit. Now, the standard coffin is 23" high, and wedged into the corner you would have problems opening it. However, if you custom built the lid you might be able to get one that you could squeeze inside and still get in and out of, even more of a DM call...or a job for AutoCAD. As a mathematician and not an engineer, I'll leave that to someone else.

\$\endgroup\$
4
  • \$\begingroup\$ If the interior of the bag was a 2-foot-wide, 4-foot-deep cylinder, it would only have a volume of π(r^2)h = π(1^2)4 = 4π ≈ 12.57 cubic feet, not 64 cubic feet. My best guess is that the mouth of the bag is a choke point, and the rest of the interior space is substantially wider. \$\endgroup\$
    – MJ713
    Feb 6, 2023 at 2:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MJ713 Good point, it'd take a DM call but most likely a 4 ft cube. Given that, I added a section to account for the math there \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 6, 2023 at 3:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ So maybe a halfling, gnome, or goblin vampire, or whatever other Small race you want to consider? Otherwise a Portable Hole is a much better bet; much larger and without a weight limit IIRC. (edit: you did mention Small vampires as a possibility.) \$\endgroup\$ Feb 6, 2023 at 7:05
  • \$\begingroup\$ @PeterCordes Yeah, portable hole would completely remove any size concerns for a medium vampire, as well as any weight concerns. \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 6, 2023 at 8:19

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .