I can become trained with any Advanced weapon through the Weapon Proficiency feat, if I take it enough times. How can I become an expert with it?

Taking the various Weapon Familiarity feats (like Elven Weapon Familiarity) make Advanced weapons related to an ancestry Martial, but what about a Daikyu for example? How can a Ranger become expert with it?


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Be a Fighter

Fighters naturally are trained in all advanced weapons and become expert in one weapon group (axes/swords/etc.) at level 5 with Fighter Weapon Mastery, master in one weapon group at level 13 with Weapon Legend and expert in all others, then master in all advanced weapons at level 19 with Versatile Legend.

Be a Provocator

This unusual archetype from the Agents of Edgewatch adventure path has a 16th-level feat Performance Weapon Expert which grants expert proficiency in the advanced weapon chosen as part of taking the 10th-level dedication feat.

Treat them as Martial Weapons

Several advanced weapons have an ancestry trait associated with them, allowing them to be wielded as martial weapons by characters with the appropriate weapon familiarity ancestry feat like Dwarven Weapon Familiarity. Humans have a variant of this in Unconventional Weaponry allowing them to do so with any uncommon advanced weapon common in another culture, even those without an ancestry trait.

Fighters have a 6th-level feat Advanced Weapon Training, allowing you to treat any weapon group of advanced weapons as martial weapons. Any character can pick this up with a Fighter Archetype requiring 14 Str, 14 Dex, and 3 class feats for the Fighter Dedication, Basic Maneuver, then Advanced Maneuver as a 12th-level feat or higher.

Beyond those options there are also two archetypes which grant specific weapons or groups a similar benefit:

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    \$\begingroup\$ So unless you are a Fighter, or start playing above level 11, just forget about advanced weapons without an ancestry trait \$\endgroup\$
    – András
    Feb 27, 2023 at 18:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ Well, or you could just have them as trained. Probably not worth it after level 5 when most martial classes get expert in Martial weapons but advanced weapons are better than martial ones. Up to you if it's worth the reduced to-hit. \$\endgroup\$
    – brandon
    Feb 27, 2023 at 18:40
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    \$\begingroup\$ Advanced weapons are usaully a tiny bit better than similar martials, definitely not worth -2 to attack \$\endgroup\$ Feb 27, 2023 at 19:16
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    \$\begingroup\$ Specifically for Bows, there's an archer dedication feat at level 6 to treat them as advanced. Unfortunately the archer dedication itself is a dead feat for a ranger. 2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1887 \$\endgroup\$
    – Alan
    Feb 28, 2023 at 3:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @András FWIW, Unconventional Weaponry also allows for weapons "common in another culture". Definitely up to your GM there, and probably not something to rely on for PFS, but you might be able to get a boon for it in PFS. I don't see anything wrong (as a GM) with allowing any uncommon weapon for Unconventional Weaponry, especially for the fairly meh Daikyu. \$\endgroup\$
    – ESCE
    Feb 28, 2023 at 17:30

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