Inventor weapons must "begin with the same characteristics as [lvl 0/1 simple/martial] weapons".

You can't use dual form to get an advanced weapon.

You can use a shifting rune to change weapons with (apparently) no restriction.

You can use Unconventional Weaponry to consider one advanced weapon (for inventor) simple for proficiency.

Does this make having an advanced weapon as a weapon innovation possible later in an inventor build?

I'm aware this might be a pretty heavy investment (rune + feat)

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    \$\begingroup\$ Are you trying to have this work in a private (home/online) game or PFS? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 27, 2023 at 19:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ It's in a private game. I have got an agreement with the DM on the specific weapon I wanted (to my favor :) ) but still wanted to know if it would work with RAW \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 27, 2023 at 19:18

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This should work

There doesn't seem to be a requirement that the invented weapon remains a valid choice for creation. You are correct that, using a Shifting rune, you can reshape a Simple or Martial weapon to be an Advanced one (assuming it meets the Handed-ness requirement).

Unconventional Weaponry will allow you to treat an Advanced weapon that meets the Feats restrictions, for Proficiency, as a Martial (not Simple, but that's fine for you) weapon. So now you have your inventor-modified weapon in the shape of an Advanced weapon for which you have your current weapon Proficiency for.

It could be argued, from a (probably excessively) legalistic point of view, that altering the form of the Innovation to be an invalid weapon prevents you from accessing the Innovation abilities for it because it's 'no longer a valid target'. For this reason, I'd recommend communicating your intent to a GM where you want to use this build; I wouldn't expect a ton of push back (especially because Advanced weapons don't tend to be significantly more powerful than Martial options) but it's always best to be on the same page.


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