I was playing in a game where there was a shambling mound and after engulfing a creature and killing it, the creature goes about its turn and engulfs a second person. The DM didn't specify anything other than that and I have used one before but I can't recall.

Is a creature that died by being engulfed by a shambling mound still grappled and engulfed as per the wording of the action?

Would the DM need to state "it drops the grapple"?


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Assuming the corpse is a creature, yes

The Shambling Mound's stat block is very clear that it can have only one creature Engulfed by it at a time:

Engulf. The shambling mound engulfs a Medium or smaller creature grappled by it...If the mound moves, the engulfed target moves with it. The mound can have only one creature engulfed at a time.

So, assuming you can treat the dead creature as a creature, the Mound would indeed have to drop it in order to Engulf a second creature. This makes sense within the narrative, as it is size Large and there is room for only one size Medium creature inside it at a time.

But what if it is (only) an object?

Unfortunately, the rules are not clear on whether a corpse is a creature, an object, or both. Thus it is possible that a dead creature is actually only an object, and if so, it would not 'trigger' the limitation that only one creature can be Engulfed at a time.

Even more unfortunately, it is difficult to say, RAW, what would happen to a corpse-as-object that had previously been an Engulfed creature. The prerequisite for being Engulfed is that the target has been grappled by the Mound, and the Grappling Rules apply only to creatures:

When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple.

Thus, when the creature died and became an object, it was no longer a legitimate target for the Grappled Condition, and thus for the Engulfed state.

The 5e rules, in general, have a difficult time dealing with "lingering effects" - what happens to a creature, or object, when it is under an ongoing effect for which it is no longer a valid target? See, for example, this tweet by Jeremy Crawford, where he says 'there is no rule', or my answer to "Do lingering effects vanish when you use Wild Shape?", in which I try to give a summary of what we know about different kinds of effects.

Thus, if the corpse is an object, it is unclear whether it being an invalid target for Grapple would either permit the Mound to Engulf a new creature while still retaining the corpse-object, or would force it to drop the corpse-object regardless of whether or not it Engulfed a new target.

What I would do

In my own games, the rules exist to create shared baseline expectations for the players, and thus I do give great weight to RAW. But when the rules are unclear, as in this case, I decide in favor of the narrative. That is, what makes sense, and what ruling would support verisimilitude?

It seems like the narrative of a Shambling Mound is that it has space for only one Medium-sized 'thing' inside it at a time, regardless of whether that thing is technically a creature or an object. If the intent of the Shambling Mound was to kill as many of the PCs as possible, it would simply drop the corpse to make room for its next prey. If for some reason it was important to retain the body (was dragging it off to digest later, was commanded to collect the PC's by the mage controlling it, etc.), it would move the body outside to the surface of the Mound while still grasping it, and switch to the 'carrying an object' rules while it Engulfed the still-living PC. Doing so would both be a striking visual and provide access to the corpse for a party that hopefully has the revivify spell.


When in doubt, ask the DM directly

A DM should give enough information about the game world and let players make meaningful choices. However...

the creature goes about its turn and Engulfs a second person. The DM didn't specify anything other than that

Would the DM need to state "it drops the grapple"?

There is no rule states a DM has to say anything. We are all humans and can forget unimportant details. When it happens, get over it together. Ask the DM directly, what exactly happened in the game world.

In this particular case it probably does not matter

The Shambling Mound description says:

The mound can have only one creature engulfed at a time.

When it engulfs somebody, it releases a previously engulfed person, if any. This has zero impact on the action economy, since a creature can release the target whenever it like (no action required). This is pretty much what happened — I'm 99% sure, your DM would say "yes, it relesed the corpse", if asked directly.

Don't play "gotcha" with DM (or players)

Imagine this dialog:

DM: The Mould engulfs you.
Player: Does it drop the previous grapple?
DM: Yes it does.
Player: But you didn't say that before!

What is the purpose of this nitpicking? It does not give more information, neither it add anything to the story. The player just says "Gotcha! You've made a mistake!" without any reason. It's a pretty toxic behavior — and next time the DM might apply it to you ("you didn't say you stood up, that means you were crawling all the way"). Instead, it's better to work with your DM and achive clarity together.

  • \$\begingroup\$ In any other game I would however the DM was laughing at players dying and counting how many he killed with giddy. So i'd say he'd have a laundry list of excuses. I don't wanna seem the the "butt-hurt guy who died so he left" but there were many things from when the first person died and was engulfed that started to tick me the wrong way. This was one of them. Thank You for your input though :) \$\endgroup\$ Aug 6, 2023 at 21:37

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