I am a bit confused about how Armour and Armour Piercing is meant to work.

If you have a Toughness of 8 and Armour of say +2 (10) and you are hit by a weapon with AP 2. Do you take 2 off for the AP so it is back to 8 first. Or does the damage need to be more than 10 and then you take the 2 off to determine the result?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Both answers are correct but I can only bless one not both. As the choice is arbitrary and as Karick has the lest rep, I choose him. Thanks Toast for you answer. \$\endgroup\$ Mar 22, 2013 at 10:52

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How AP damage works is detailed briefly on page 48 of Savage Worlds Deluxe Edition, in the introduction of the Gear chapter:

The weapon or round ignores this many points of Armor. […] Excess AP is simply lost.

The AP2 means that in this instance the effective Toughness is 8. If it was AP4 it would ignore up to 4 points of armor, but in this case there are only 2 points of armor, so AP4 in this instance would also mean that the effective Toughness is 8.

The other way you thought it might work wouldn't model armor piercing, but something more like a "hollowpoint" round that does an especially high amount of damage if it gets through armor, but isn't any better at getting through armor than a normal bullet.


If you have a Toughness of 8 and Armour of say +2 (10) and you are hit by a weapon with AP 2.

AP 2 means the weapon ignores 2 points of armor. In this case, your effective armor is 8 and 8 damage will result in your character being shaken.

If the weapon had AP 4, your effective toughness would still be 8 because it can only ignore as much armor as you actually have.

This assumes we're talking about regular armor. If you're using a setting with heavy weapons and heavy armor (ex: Necessary Evil), remember that only heavy weapons can do any damage to heavy armor.

Here's a forum link describing armor for NPCs.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Well it is 7 years old. Thankfully Pinacle kept the old forums archived: archive.pegforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=36410 \$\endgroup\$
    – Ryre
    Aug 4, 2020 at 16:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ Cool, thanks for the Edit. \$\endgroup\$
    – Leander
    Aug 4, 2020 at 17:26

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