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I'm currently DMing some games in the D&D 4e Adventure Series. We started with H1, Keep on the Shadowfell, and we're just about to start H2, Thunderspide labyrinth.

I have six players who are all level 4. I'm trying to work out something: How can I balance an encounter for my group?

I've heard stuff about a "party level" and "average party level", and apparently even if there were 3 players or 6, it's still a level 4 party that should be able to handle the same kind of encounter. I've read questions on here but nothing's really confirmed how this works for me. I know there are suggestions and guidelines in the DMG but I couldn't find anything to help me create an encounter.

I see there's a table that gives me an idea of what EXP to hand out for a 4 player, 5 player, and 6 player party, and what level that encounter is, but I'm not sure what to do with it.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I've just majorly edited this question to remove mention of 3.5e stuff. Asking about APL is getting sidetracked if all you really want to know is how to balance an encounter. \$\endgroup\$ – doppelgreener Oct 29 '13 at 11:18
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The DMG talks about how to do this, but I've found that it needs some tweaking to be really effective.

What level should an encounter be?

DMG 56 says:

An easy encounter is one or two levels lower than the party’s level.

A standard encounter is of the party’s level, or one level higher.

A hard encounter is two to four levels higher than the party’s level.

Notice that it says nothing about how many characters are in the party. That part of the encounter building is factored in later.

In practice, I found that encounters underneath the party's level weren't very interesting. And for Big Bad Boss Fights, I'd pump the encounter up to five levels above the party.

Does this mean my monsters will be that level?

No. While the 4e developers (through the DMG and the adventure modules) make it clear that they think a variety of levels are good for monsters, I found that it's best to make every monster the same level as the party. Higher-level monsters don't get hit, which makes fights take longer in a very frustrating way; lower-level monsters don't get to hit the party, which makes fights non-threatening.

Keep your monsters at the party's level, and use the Minion/Standard/Elite/Solo "roles" to determine how challenging an individual monster should be. If it's a boss, don't make it four levels higher; make it an Elite of their level.

So what does "encounter level" mean if all my monsters are the party's level?

DMG 56 has a table you should learn to love: Experience Point Rewards. Use it to look up how much experience a Standard monster of the encounter's level is worth, multiply that by the number of players in the party, and you get what's called an encounter budget: it tells you how much XP you need to spend on monsters in order to make an encounter of that particular level, for that particular size of group.

Say you want to make a challenging encounter for your level 4 PCs. How about one level higher than the party? That's level 5, and a level 5 Standard monster is worth 200 XP. You've got six players, so 6 x 200 = 1,200 XP. That's your encounter budget.

Now let's choose some monsters!

You've got 1,200 worth of XP, and you're spending it on level 4 monsters. You don't have to spend exactly that much, but we're aiming for a ballpark of ~1,200 XP worth of monster.

At level 4, a Standard is worth 175, a minion is 44, an Elite is 350, and a Solo is 875.

So you could throw seven Standard monsters (7 x 175 = 1,225) at the party for a decent brawl: there'll be just slightly more than one monster per PC.

Or 27 Minions (27 x 44 = 1,118) but then their turn takes forever to resolve and everyone will probably get bored... or the wizard casts two dailies and wipes the board in the second round.

How about two Elites and three Standards? (2 x 350 = 700, 3 x 175 = 525, 700 + 525 = 1225) Now the party slightly outnumbers the opposition but a couple of the enemies are tougher: variety is the spice of life, and makes encounters much more interesting!

What if I just want them to fight one big monster?

Well, that's a problem, because a level 4 Solo isn't going to fill up your encounter budget. So we cheat.

One Solo and seven Minions (875 + 7 x 44 = 1,183) doesn't look like a boss fight on paper, but Minions don't have to be minions. Hyena spirits raised by the gnoll priest you're fighting, suits of armor animated by an evil paladin, and sparks of star-stuff summoned from the Far Realm by a warlock, all can be represented as Minions without changing the feel that the fight is a solo encounter.

And frankly, you'll find as the party levels up that fighting a single monster is the easiest thing to give them: piling status effects on a single target to cripple it makes one-monster fights trivial. There are ways to make solo creatures work on their own, but that's niche enough that if you're interested you should make it a separate question.

Don't feel bound by the rules.

I don't find the standard DMG practices to be perfectly effective, and I've said some of the changes I make to the practices when I use them. But even beyond that, every group is different. Some players like to make super-effective characters, or synergize really well with the other characters, and some don't make that a priority. So in the end you'll have to learn what your particular group needs. Experience budgets are just a tool for getting you closer, faster, than you might if you were figuring it out all on your own.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Regarding ways to make solo creatures work on their own, I talked about that here. Some other answers on that question also address how to make solos work better (they're geared toward epic-tier combat but work just as well at lower tiers). \$\endgroup\$ – thatgirldm Oct 29 '13 at 17:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ I found that it's best to make every monster the same level as the party - I can confirm that this is very, very good advice. Unless you specifically want your party to find themselves in one of those situations described for some reason. \$\endgroup\$ – detly Oct 30 '13 at 22:47
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I think BESW has pointed out a large deal of how to handle the info that DMG gives you on this. But I would like to add the following aspect.

My personal idea changed about encounters, after reading this disussion: Overly Strong Barabarian to resume the main point. Encounters shouldn't be balanced per se but support the story. Of course you want you encounters to be exciting for you players but not all should be at the same level.

A good example is that the story might present a thief with his companions who have stolen goods from your Patron. They will be able to put up a fight but in brute strength they will lack. The smart thing is to incapacitate them and ask who had giving orders to steel this. So you extract knowledge which will push the story forward.

This discussion also points out very nicely that you should know the characters individual strengths & weaknesses and how they combine as a party.
This might be even more important than the Encounter Budget. If the party's defender is immune to knock prone, or any other status effect the monsters have packed for them, the encounter would be a walk in the park rather than a challenge. The problem might also be that some players have found a very nasty game-breaking combo, which makes it difficult for monsters to handle him. In that case I would suggest to that player to reconsider the items or combination or the make up a nerf in order to balance him with the rest of the party.

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My simple and very effective fix to all monsters damage is this: 1. Multiply the monsters damaga dice by tier. Meaning a Heroic monsters damage dice stay the same. At paragon they are doubled and at epic they are tripled. Or you can add one damage die every five levels after first for quicker scaling, this is my preferred option. And 2. Add half the monsters level to the damage modifier. Doing this makes sure the players stay on the edge if their seat the whole encounter. With a character being knocked unconscious at least every other encounter (they will be fine with a good leader). This method may or may not work for your group, it does mine because they all have a high dose of Power Gamer in them (the Fighter (Slayer) killing the Elite in one turn before it can even act, sound familiar?). Also I still add the bonuses to Elites and Solos defenses, and instead of multiplying a solos hit points by 4 I multiply them by the number of characters in the party, ignoring the changes and advice from the DMG2 . That way the boss has the hit points to match the partys damage (more or less, it still has less hit points than the same number of standard monsters it is supposed to be worth). I often times on top of these boosts give Solos another standard action or even a second turn in the initiative. You need to make sure your solo is putting out enough damage for how many monsters it is worth, for an example with a solo worth five monsters: lets say the boss is level 4, five standard fourth level monsters deal about 13 (2d6+6) damage apiece (using the chart from the link posted by BESW on Level 1 Equivalent Damage here: Making epic combat interesting and challenging but not complicated), so your solo monster should be able to deal about 65 damage per round, spread out in at least five different attacks using its standard (multiattack maybe), move (yes there are move actions that deal damage), minor, immediate, and free actions (not counting action points). I really like the new damage chart you posted a link to and would like to try it out. Thanks for sharing! And do not forget, if you have to bend or even break the rules (as in my solos that are worth six monsters, as I have a party of six) to make your game enjoyable, by all means do so. As James Wyatt (I think it was) said: the rules in the books are only guide lines. You must figure what is fun for and works for your own group. Do not fall into the trap of thinking you must follow the rules to the letter (as I did at first). Being a good Dungeon Master comes with time, patience, experience, and lots of mistakes (you often learn the hard way). Sorry if my post is overly long, thanks for reading!

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