Realism of Poisoned Weapons

Question

Many games have classes that make extensive use of poisons. Poisons of course have been used in murder and poisonous gases have been used in war. But how realistic are the poisoned weapons so common in many rpgs? By that I mean: Is there some poison which can realistically (or at least plausiblely) be applied to a weapon in a way that will actually affect the outcome of a battle?

An answer showing how poisoned weapons have been used in history would certain answer this, but its not necessary. I am more concerned about verisimilitude and whether it is believable to have non-magical poisons applied to weapons in an effective way. Is it realistic to poison a weapon in the sense that it would actually work? And is it realistic to have a reason to do that even if it would work?

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This question is obviously related: Creating Poison Cheaply - Potato Tea? but asks something different and is more focused on game balance if you allow real world ways of making poisons.

Answer 1

This archived forum from rpg.net discusses the same question, it might be worth taking a look at.

The general points seem to be the following:

• Poisoned arrows have been used by certain tribes, mainly to hunt smaller animals, though people used them to battle other people as well (Native American tribes, Chinese armies are brought up as examples.)
• The primary aim of poisoning in melee seems to be to make sure an otherwise not lethally wounded (and retreating) enemy doesn't return to the field soon, if at all: more a strategic move than a tactical one (used both in open battles and in guerilla warfare)
• A secondary use of poisoned weapons is psychological warfare: it scares the enemy
• Smaller blades with poison were used for assassinations as well, again probably to maximize the chance of taking down a well protected, hard to reach enemy leader (so, if the stabbing fails, the poison will finish the work.)

I think that's the gist of both that rather thorough-appearing discussion and what little I remember from the history books on the topic.

Answer 2

The problem with realistic poisons is that they're incredibly game-breaking - any peasant can slip a handful of herbs into a player's food, and they're effectively a goner. Most RPG systems that try to handle poison treat it as a damage source, which is therefore nowhere near as much of a threat at higher levels, rather than instant-death, to stop every session being a paranoia-filled deathfest. Therefore, few (if any) RPGs handle poison realistically, simply to make the game more fun and less lethal.

Realistically poisoned weapons, specifically, aren't fun at all within a game. Poison on weapons wouldn't usually kill the foe while you fight him; it would slow his healing, damage tissues and cause sickness after the fight was over. Smearing excrement over a weapon would make even a small cut potentially lethal due to disease, as a quick and free way to make a weapon more dangerous, but players don't usually enjoy a game where they have to fear every cut. Winning the battle, only to die of blood poisoning later, can leave a bad taste in players' mouths, and having to Cure Poison/Disease regularly can be a huge drain on resources, especially if the cleric ends up having to use scrolls or a wand.

Answer 3

By that I mean: Is there some poison which can realistically (or at least plausiblely) be applied to a weapon in a way that will actually affect the outcome of a battle?

Well, yes! That is what all those hunting poisons are about - you put it on an arrow or a dart, and suddenly a 400-800 lbs beast is laying itself down within minutes, either dying outright or dazed enough you can slit it's throat with a knife.

But you'll also notice that kind of poison is very rare - it's hard to harvest that kind of stuff, much less harvest it in great numbers.

Instead, what we often saw happen is armies would dip arrows or spear heads into feces or other filth to create infections. When the wounded would die a day or days later, or lose limbs to necessary amputations... people often just assumed the enemy was "using poison".

The big realism hurdles are: getting enough poison, keeping it potent long enough to use, making sure your army (conscripts? probably) don't accidentally harm or kill themselves while applying it.

Even if the poison itself isn't magical, a lot of magic ideas quickly change how poison would be used:

• If simple heal spells resolve poison, it may not be worth using to begin with
• Can magic make poison harvesting easier? Can it increase the quantity/effect?
• Can a magical scabbard keep the potency of poison you applied days ago?

Answer 4

I think a distinction can be drawn between poison and venom. Poisonous plants, for example, do not kill every animal that eats a leaf; persuading animals that these leaves are not good to eat is enough, so vegetable poisons are typically slow-acting (and of course ingested). It's entirely historical to allow a witch or alchemist to produce poisons that an assassin can slip into the victim's food. If this threatens game balance, bear in mind that the actual outcome is unpredictable; testing on humans tends to be difficult to arrange.

Snake or scorpion venom is what most 'poisoned weapons' rely on. Obviously a predator is not interested in long-term mortality, so these venoms tend to be fast-acting and work through the blood (one cautionary tale is of the lecturer who swallowed snake venom to demonstrate its safety; unknown to him he had an ulcer that allowed the venom into the bloodstream). Venoms are very hard to create artificially, but can often be 'milked' and bottled for later use. The main limitation is that all venom loses potency quickly when exposes to air, so smearing some on your sword before a big fight is possible; keeping your sword permanently poisoned is not.

Other disadvantages for a GM to keep in mind are the reputation that using poison will give you (unchivalrous at best, in league with the devil at worst): the inconvenience of keeping a bottle of poison in your pack where guards or thieves may find it, and it may leak onto your clothes or food: and the difficulties of buying it. It is quite likely that you can find a shady apothecary who keeps snakes and sells a small amount of venom, but if he is arrested (or dies of snakebite) there may be nobody else in town.

Answer 5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_krait

This is the kind of poison that one could put on a weapon and seriously debilitate an enemy.

Back in OD&D and 1e, poison was "fail save and die."

In a given game or at a given table, how lethal you want to make a poison has to be in the hands of the DM.

Does the DM want save or die?
OK, there are real life poisons that do that.

Does the DM want "poison, but chance to be saved" with anti venom?
OK, there are poisons that do that as well.

What kind of poison do You want in Your game world?

I won't delve into real chemical weapons in the real world since most RPG's are not real world simulators, and quite frankly, the tecnhical challenges to keeping them fresh enough to use are well outside of the "fun" of most RPG's.