I know that Dervish Dance adds scimitar to the list. Are there other feats that expand the set of weapons one can use finesse with? I'm particularly curious I'd there are ways to get a bastard sword or 2H weapon to be a finesse weapon, but interested in other options too.

(Feel free to mention non-feat ways of expanding the list too, if you know of them.)

  • \$\begingroup\$ is a scimitar not already considered finesse? or is that just 3.5 things \$\endgroup\$ Commented Apr 1, 2015 at 2:49
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    \$\begingroup\$ @CataruMoore The feat Weapon Finesse is for light weapons and other weapons that are specifically mentioned to be usable with Weapon Finesse. In both Pathfinder and D&D 3.5 the scimitar isn't a light weapon but a 1-handed weapon and unlike the rapier no special mention is made of the scimitar being usable with the feat Weapon Finesse. Thus, unless an effort is made to do so, the scimitar typically can't be used with the feat Weapon Finesse. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Apr 1, 2015 at 8:58

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Now that the Advance Class Guide is out, the answer has changed (as @Lord_Gareth suggested it would in his January 2014 answer).

And now that the ACG errata is out, the answer has changed again. Changes incorporated below.

As of today, there are two published feats (three if you include Mythic) that expand the set of finesse weapons:

1. Dervish Dance

(which requires a 13 DEX, Weapon Finesse, 2 ranks in Dance, and proficiency in the scimitar) lets you count a scimitar as a finesse weapon (and add DEX instead of STR to damage)...as long as it's sized for you, used one-handed, and you aren't "carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

2. Slashing Grace

(which requires a 13 DEX, Weapon Finesse, and Weapon Focus) lets you use DEX (instead of STR) for damage with any one handed or light slashing weapon one has Weapon Focus in. As with Dervish Dance the weapon has to be sized for you. Additionally (since the errata)

You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.

Note though that it doesn't allow one to use DEX to hit with a one-handed slashing weapon unless one has at least 1 level in swashbuckler. Swashbuckler's get the Swashbuckler's Finesse ability which says:

a swashbuckler gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat with light or one-handed piercing melee weapons.

That combined with this text from Slashing Grace:

When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon

lets swashbucklers (but not others with Weapon Finesse) use DEX to hit with a longsword or similar weapon. (A fighter with Weapon Finesse and Slashing Grace gets DEX to hit with her rapier but still uses STR for damage. If she switches to a longsword she gets DEX to damage but is back to using STR to hit.)

Also note (as per the original question) that Slashing Grace makes a bastard sword a finesse weapon for swashbucklers...but only while wielded one-handed.

Bucklers and Swordsmaster's Flair are OK!

The following FAQ was asked about Slashing Grace but applies to Dervish Dance as well.

What exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?” Can I use a shield? What about a buckler? Can I use flurry of blows? Brawler’s flurry? Two-weapon fighting? Spell combat? Attack with natural weapons? What if I throw the weapon? What about swordmaster’s flair?

Slashing Grace does not allow most shields, but bucklers work because they don’t occupy the hand. Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work. Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. Swordmaster’s flair should have a sentence added to it that says “Carrying a swordmaster’s flair counts as having that hand free for the purpose of abilities that require a free hand, though you still can’t hold another object in that hand.”

Why No Love For Rapiers?

As an aside, Jason Bulmahn (Lead Designer) has said that DEX to damage was a late addition to Slashing Grace, and the design team didn't realize that it made a longsword significantly better for a swashbuckler than the more iconic rapier. To solve that, they've announced that the following feat will be released in the upcoming Pathfinder Player Companion: Advanced Class Guide Origins:


Your extreme style and fluid rapier forms allow you to use agility rather than brute force to fell your foes.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (rapier).

Benefit: When wielding a rapier one-handed, you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon’s damage. The rapier must be one appropriate for your size.

In addition, if you have the panache class feature, you gain a +2 bonus to CMD against attempts to disarm you of your rapier while you have at least 1 panache point.

Mythic note: one more way to get DEX to Damage

While the core of this question is about adding to the set of finesse weapons, both Slashing Grace and Dervish Dance also add DEX to damage (arguably their bigger benefit). For completeness, I'll add one more DEX to damage option: Mythic Weapon Finesse.

If you happen to be playing with the optional Mythic rules, this is generally the best solution. The Mythic Weapon Finesse feat's only requirement is that you already have the general Weapon Finesse feat. It states,

When using Weapon Finesse, you may also use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on your damage rolls.

So (unlike the options above, you can use any shield, flurry of blows, all of your natural attacks, etc.). It even tacks on the further benefit that > If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty doesn't apply to either the attack rolls or the damage rolls.


At the moment, none

Pathfinder is super leery about being able to Finesse weapons or add Dexterity to damage with them, and Dervish Dance remains the only feat support for expanding the Finesse list.


Paizo's promised a feat solution for this in their upcoming Advanced Class Guide, though from what I gathered during the playtest it'll only work for one-handed weapons. Still, worth looking into!

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    – V2Blast
    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 11:19

Not a feat, but there is a (relatively cheap) item for it.

In the Giant Hunters Handbook an item called Effortless Lace was introduced.

At the cost of 2,500 GP, it can be attached to any one-handed weapon to allow that weapon two effects. If the weapon is sized for a creature larger than the current creature wielding the weapon, the penalty to attack rolls is reduced by 2.

If, however, the weapon is being wielded by a creature that it is properly sized for, instead the weapon is treated as a light weapon for the purposes of Weapon Finesse or any other feat, spell, or special weapon ability that can be used in conjunction with a light weapon.

The only downside to this item is that if the weapon ever gains the broken condition, or the ribbons magic is ever suppresses by a Dispel Magic or similar, it permanently loses all of its magic, and you have to get a new one.

On the bright side, this means you can apply it to a bastard sword, as they are technically 1-handed weapons.


You have dueling swords for a second two handed weapon usable with finesse, apart from the elven curve blade. Also, Ultimate Equipment gave the sword cane the ability to be used with finesse. Could not find other weapons from official sources that would be eligible for finesse, with or without feat.


The Bladed Brush feat allows you to use weapon finesse with a glaive. It does require you to be a follower of Sheyln as it is her favored weapon.

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    Commented Jan 27, 2020 at 11:18

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