I'm thinking of starting a campaign that will have the players travel to one of the traditional elemental planes, such as the Elemental Plane of Water or the Elemental Plane of Air. Do these no longer exist in the 4th edition rules? It looks like they've all been combined into the Elemental Chaos.


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Yes, there is now only the Elemental Chaos. The previous cosmology has been entirely scrapped. I don't miss it at all: I find the new cosmology far richer and more exciting and fascinating to work with, and D&D 4e's development team thoroughly succeeded in their mission at giving the DM more flexibility in their choices. If you want to run an elemental adventure, I suggest you seek out The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos, which contains all the details on the Elemental Chaos, its denizens and cities, and the all-consuming Abyss that lies beneath it.

There is still a way for your players to visit 4e's equivalent of the planes of water, air, and so on, however: it has domains. I'll describe them for you, because they're awesome.

The Elemental Chaos is rife with turmoil. It is a realm of making and unmaking, where nothing is constant: the Primordials of the Elemental Chaos were even responsible for the creation of the Material World (though the Gods are responsible for its present form). It churns with pockets of each individual element.

Within this realm, the second most powerful thing to a Primordial - most of whom are in hiding or lost following the Dawn War - is a Titan. These Titans are born of an element such as Air or Earth, and many will endeavour to carve out great domains for themselves. An Earth Titan will actively grow his domain of earth by expanding its size and removing most that is not-earth from it, though if an earth titan needs air, he has no need to trade with any other domain or plane: he can carve passages through his domain and bring air into it.

Domains are not, however, constant. A Titan is a mere mortal creature (albeit an extremely powerful one), and a Titan with a domain is effectively building a sandcastle in a hurricane - it's a testament to their power they can even manage to do so. Their domain will change, it will be attacked by other elementals and titans, there are wars, and all domains eventually break apart again. Titans are creatures of Chaos: they do not like things to be constant and reliable anyway; that's something Gods prefer, being creatures of Law and order.

If your players wish to travel the planes, they should instead be travelling titans' domains. The Elemental Chaos is infinite, and domains can be huge, but they are finite. If you wish for them to have a relatively stable place to visit, that's possible. If you wish for them to interact with non-elemental creatures in the plane, that's possible too: there are some mortal species who've carved out their place in the Elemental Chaos. If you'd rather throw some chaos and turmoil into the mix, the Elemental Chaos is absolutely ready to let you do that, and is all too eager to offer ways for it to happen.

  • \$\begingroup\$ I've never read this part of the Elemental Chaos before, but that's really awesome indeed! :D \$\endgroup\$
    – Erik
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 11:14

Correct, 4e removed the elemental planes. It vastly simplified the cosmology. Alot of the outer planes had to go with the reduction in alignments. The inner planes, were replaced with the elemental chaos, also as part of the simplification.

However very few mechanics in 4e force you to use the default cosmology. When I last played, (which was only a few years after 4e came out), there were none. Other than some fluff for abilities like the eladrin's teleportation power.

The cosmology is generally a setting detail.
Last time I DMed 4e, I pulled out a 2nd Ed Planescape setting book, and ran with that, without issue. 2e Planescape has a lot more planes than even 3.x's default setting.

Planescape elemental planes

  • \$\begingroup\$ Agreed. Even though the changes did occur officially in 4e as mentioned, the Planescape setting is still far richer, more detailed, and completely adaptable for any version of D&D. \$\endgroup\$
    – Tanthos
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 16:16

Correct - the Great Wheel cosmology was revised in 4th ed substantially. The Elemental Planes merged with the Abyss to become the Elemental Chaos.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Does that mean there's no equivalent? Or would Cresting Spires be the nearest 4th ed analogue to the old Elemental Plane of Water? \$\endgroup\$
    – Avidan
    Commented Apr 13, 2014 at 21:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ To be honest, I just haven't looked that closely at the current specifics, and I don't own the Manual of the Planes for 4e. What I've listed is my sum total knowledge... \$\endgroup\$
    – YogoZuno
    Commented Apr 13, 2014 at 22:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ Currently trying to dig up my copy, I think it's in my basement though :( \$\endgroup\$
    – wax eagle
    Commented Apr 14, 2014 at 1:32
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    \$\begingroup\$ The point of the merger was to give the DM more creative freedom, not less, so put whatever elemental places you need wherever you need them. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Apr 14, 2014 at 2:04

There is a book called the "Manual of the Planes". It covers the following:

  • The Feywild
  • The Shadowfell
  • The Elemental Chaos
  • The Astral Sea
  • Sigil, City of Doors
  • The Far Realm
  • The Plane of Dreams

In each of the above it goes into further detail, explaining highlights in each of the above areas, depicting major cities and ports, places of worship, and other items. It also explains how there are thousands of other planes out there and gives you the rules support for creating your own.

To answer your specific question, Elemental Plane of Water and the Elemental Plane of Air does not appear in D&D's 4th edition literature.


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