I'm in the midst of writing a story involving Cyric and Tharizdon butting heads over a group of mortals attempting to obtain one of Cyric's toys and destroy it. (based on a 2 dungeon master, dungeon me and some friends did a while back)

I just wanted to know if it would be legal for to use the two god's names.


All FR gods and other setting proper nouns are the intellectual property of WotC - probably copyright, maybe some trademark, maybe even some trade dress... The specifics aren't all that important in this case. Technically, legally, and unless you have a bunch of money and lawyers to try to fight it, you need permission to use them. This kind of use is NOT protected by Fair Use or by the OGL or by any of the other things people think it is. If you are trying to publish a novel using their characters or setting, they will crush you. However, no offense meant, but due to the 6 grammatical errors in just the 3 sentences of the question above, I assume you are just planning on writing fan fiction for your/the Internet's enjoyment and are not a professional novelist.

You can take one of two paths to writing FR fanfic.

  1. Use a WotC community use license - I believe this is the latest one, it's for fansites. Read through it and see if you think it covers your use case, and then comply with it.

  2. Just do it. They will ignore you unless you try to make money or otherwise make a pest of yourself. It's just as "illegal" as writing a novel for publication, but they have bigger fish to fry and damages are $0, so you're going to be fine 99.9% of the time. If you write the world's most popular Cyric/Tharizdun slashfic they might Cease & Desist you and/or send a DMCA takedown notice to your ISP - that's what they did to a couple people writing character generators and power card things during 4e. They are within their legal rights to sue you - but they're within their legal rights to sue you no matter what you do. If you're writing FR fanfic for free - well, go Google for it, there's a bunch and no one's getting lawyers air-dropped on them.

  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm fairly certain that using them in a non-profit, non-corpoprate manner is protected under Fair Use, and the most they could do is slap a Cease and Desist if your fanfiction represents defamation of the characters. \$\endgroup\$ – Zibbobz Sep 8 '14 at 18:11
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Zibbobz You would be wrong on both counts. \$\endgroup\$ – mxyzplk says reinstate Monica Sep 8 '14 at 21:00

You cannot copyright a name.

Still, this doesn't mean you can use them freely, because characters can be copyrighted. The deities in Forgotten Realms are no doubt fictional characters with individual characteristics, so they are subject to copyright.

This means that, you can use the names, but if you also borrow the characteristics (appearance, moral alignment, deity level renown and power etc) so that they start to resemble the gods in Forgotten Realms, then you start stepping into grey area.

How much grey is illegal, or whether your use is fair (most likely not), is ultimately up to the court. The same goes for how much you need to change them to make them something different.

P.S. OGL would not grant you the rights for various reasons, either: 1. They do not appear in SRD. 2. They would be product identity if they were in SRD.

Names can also be made a trademark, but you don't have to worry about trademark if you are just using the character concepts in the adventure.

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    \$\begingroup\$ This sort of use never falls under fair use. A parody may qualify, but there's no indication that the intent is parody. \$\endgroup\$ – SevenSidedDie Sep 8 '14 at 2:11
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    \$\begingroup\$ Fair use includes a number of uses, including parody, and a number of others. But I agree that for a typical published adventure it is inlikely to be fair. \$\endgroup\$ – Sheepy Sep 8 '14 at 3:31

I'm not a lawyer, but I've got some idea about copyright.

Copyright does not cover names, facts, or vague ideas. However, the FR deities are almost certainly not legal for use:

  • They are more than a simple concept; complete characters have often been protected under copyright (J.D. Salinger's Holden Caulfield, for example), and there is nothing about the FR deities that does not earn them this protection.
  • They are potentially under trademark (I'm entirely unfamiliar with trademark, so I can't help there).
  • Fair use primarily (but typically only) applies for commentary, discussion, or educational purposes; writing a story doesn't count.

When I was in class, my copyright law professor used to say (a slightly different version of) the following:

Copying someone's work verbatim without their permission is infringement, unless it is fair use.

While one can argue that you aren't copying someone's work verbatim, that's overlooking the concept of copyright law: copyright law cares more about the essential qualities of a work than its literal format: if I were to copy a book and simply run it through Word's thesaurus to change all the words to a synonym it would still be an illegal copy.

Using D&D content in a third-party work without permission is almost certainly going to be infringement.

With this in mind, you have two ways to continue:

  1. Change enough stuff to skirt the law.
  2. Hope Wizards doesn't sue.

The first option requires some significant changes, but not as many as you'd think. Since you probably don't deal too much with the histories of the deities involved, name changes may actually be sufficient for legal protection.

The second option is bad, but if you're writing an entirely non-commercial fan work, you may be able to let it skirt by. If you hope to sell your work, however, you will likely be sued, while a non-commercial use will typically see a cease and desist notice (again, this is not a legal opinion or advice, just a commentary on the way things are; if you get sued you're on your own) instead of a lawsuit because copyright law is expensive to enforce.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Would the downvoters care to explain? I'd like to know if there's something I overlooked. \$\endgroup\$ – Kyle Willey Sep 9 '14 at 3:18

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