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Given this discussion I had here about combining Magic Vestment and Coat of Many Stars:

Targeting what you're wearing would get you two different, non-stacking sources of Armor bonus. – Zachiel

Things don't need to be armor to grant you Armor bonuses and "a magical effect that mimics armor" is, by definition, not an armor. [...] – Zachiel

@Zachiel, Magic Vestment gives you an enhancement bonus, so this will stack with the armor bonus of the CoMS. – rojomoke

@rojomoke No, Magic Vestement would give your dress an Enhancment bonus to their starting Armor bonus of +0, effectively giving you two items with a positive armor bonus. To have them add up you'd need to cast the Vestment spell on the effect giving you the Armor bonus, to increase it thanks to the Enhancement bonus. – Zachiel

Does an Enhancement bonus turn into an Armor bonus if applied to an article that isn't armor?

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This is one of the most annoying and awkward pieces of 3.x rules

You don’t get enhancement bonuses to AC, you get enhancement bonuses to armor bonuses

So, armors grant an armor bonus to AC. Seems simple enough.

Then we have enhancement bonuses. You could, in theory, have an enhancement bonus to AC; if you did, it would stack with an armor bonus, since they are different bonuses. However, as far as I know, there is no effect in the system that gives a creature an enhancement bonus to AC.

No, instead enhancement bonuses are applied to items. When you wear magically-enhanced armor, you don’t have an enhancement bonus, the armor has an enhancement bonus – to the armor bonus that it gives you. So in short, your AC doesn’t “see” an enhancement bonus at all; it just sees a (larger) armor bonus.

A similar example exists in the amulet of natural armor’s “enhancement bonus to your natural armor bonus.” This time, the enhancement is on the person wearing the amulet, but it’s not an enhancement bonus to his AC, but an enhancement bonus to his natural armor bonus. As far as the wearer’s AC is concerned, it sees no enhancement bonus, just a larger natural armor bonus.

And so it is with magic vestment: it applies an enhancement bonus to an item’s armor bonus (including an armor bonus of +0 from a non-armor). Your AC still only sees a larger armor bonus, not any enhancement bonus.

Thus you might have a shirt that has a base armor bonus of +0, to which it receives a +4 enhancement bonus. The wearer of that shirt gets a +4 armor bonus. If they are already wearing full-plate, the +8 armor bonus of that supersedes the +4 armor bonus of the shirt, so the shirt becomes pointless. On the other hand, magic vestment could be cast on the full-plate, giving it a +4 enhancement bonus, improving its armor bonus to +12. If it had instead been a +1 full-plate, the +4 enhancement bonus would supersede, not stack with, the +1 enhancement bonus, so the armor bonus to the wearer’s AC would still be +12.

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    \$\begingroup\$ @G0BLiN It is a separate type of bonus; you are misunderstanding what’s going on. It’s not that the enhancement bonus type has some magical special property that converts it into armor bonus. This is an issue of what it is a bonus to – that is, it’s not a bonus to AC, it’s a bonus to an armor bonus. The armor bonus is to AC, but that’s not relevant. Yes, a bonus to a bonus; ridiculous, but it is what it is. \$\endgroup\$ – KRyan Sep 18 '14 at 20:03
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Goblin PFSRD, plus the wording of the bonus, plus the ability to use a magic shield and magic armor at the same time. \$\endgroup\$ – AceCalhoon Sep 18 '14 at 20:29
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Goblin There's a 3.5 Rules of the Game that discusses this. \$\endgroup\$ – starwed Sep 18 '14 at 20:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @G0BLiN: I think you're skipping over this relevant text: "WhereEnhancement Bonuses Apply: In general, an enhancement bonus goes with a specific item a character uses, or with one of the user's abilities or other statistics." \$\endgroup\$ – Ellesedil Sep 18 '14 at 20:59
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Goblin The rules are not worded great, but this part is pretty clear: "Since enhancement bonuses to armor or natural armor effectively increase the armor or natural armor's bonus to AC..." -- Enhancement bonuses increase the bonus to AC. \$\endgroup\$ – AceCalhoon Sep 18 '14 at 21:09

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