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For spells like Magic Missile and Scorching Ray that involve multiple ranged attacks, when do you pick targets for each ray/missle?

Do you pick them all up front and then roll attack/damage? Or do you pick one, roll attack/damage, and repeat?

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The only thing the PHB has on the matter is on page 193-194;

Making an Attack

Whether you’re striking with a melee weapon, firing a weapon at range, or making an attack roll as part of a spell, an attack has a simple structure.

  1. Choose a target. Pick a target within your attack’s range: a creature, an object, or a location.

  2. Determine modifiers. The DM determines whether the target has cover and whether you have advantage or disadvantage against the target. In addition, spells, special abilities, and other effects can apply penalties or bonuses to your attack roll.

  3. Resolve the attack. You make the attack roll. On a hit, you roll damage, unless the particular attack has rules that specify otherwise. Some attacks cause special effects in addition to or instead of damage.If there’s ever any question whether something you’re doing counts as an attack, the rule is simple: if you’re making an attack roll, you’re making an attack.

Since it doesn't say anything about multiple targets, you could technically read it as you choose and roll attack/damage before you choose another one.

However, I'd say it's mostly up to you and the DM to choose, if it's faster or situationally beneficial to target and roll for one creature before targeting another or to choose all targets at once than go with whatever works.

On a side note though, Magic Missile specifically states

The darts all strike simultaneously

so I'd say you have to choose all targets first, at least for that.

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You can pick the targets one at a time in order, unless the spell says otherwise (as magic missile does)

The "Targets" section of the spellcasting rules merely states:

A typical spell requires you to pick one or more targets to be affected by the spell's magic. A spell's description tells you whether the spell targets creatures, objects, or a point of origin for an area of effect (described below).

And the "Attack Rolls" section of the same chapter says:

Some spells require the caster to make an attack roll to determine whether the spell effect hits the intended target. Your attack bonus with a spell attack equals your spellcasting ability modifier + your proficiency bonus.

Most spells that require attack rolls involve ranged attacks. Remember that you have disadvantage on a ranged attack roll if you are within 5 feet of a hostile creature that can see you and that isn't incapacitated.

Neither of these sections mention anything about when the targets of a spell (that allows attacks against multiple targets) have to be chosen; at the least, it doesn't say that targets must be chosen when the spell is cast.

This seems to align with the interpretation that such spell targets are chosen when the spell comes into effect, not when the spell begins to be cast (or in the middle of its casting, for spells with longer casting times), as supported by some of the answers in these Q&As:

Now we consider how to interpret this in the case of a spell with multiple beams/projectiles (such as scorching ray). In most cases, the spell has you make a separate attack roll for each beam/missile. This means the spell's effect is effectively coming into being in a series of separate instances; unless explicitly stated otherwise, such attacks are not simultaneous.

Rules designer Jeremy Crawford concurred with this interpretation when he answered a question on basically this exact topic in an unofficial tweet from December 2015:

Multi-beam spell like E-Blast: Choose all targets at once? Or can you hit with one, see result, choose next target, etc?

The intent is that you can choose an attack spell's targets one after another, unless the spell says otherwise.

In essence, such attacks are sequential; they occur one after the other, not all at the same time, so you can pick the targets of each attack as you make it.


This is true of most multi-projectile/ray/beam spells, such as eldritch blast or scorching ray. You fire them one at a time, and can pick the target for each one (so you don't end up wasting a bunch of scorching ray beams on a creature that's already dead from the first hit).

Magic missile is a notable exception, because it states:

The darts all strike simultaneously, and you can direct them to hit one creature or several.

So for magic missile in particular, you pick the target of every dart of force at the instant the spell's effect comes into being, and they all resolve at once. (This is also why you only roll the damage for magic missile once, by RAW; you roll 1d4+1, and apply that damage to each missile.)

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With magic missile, it's a single damage roll per target, so you'd pick them all at once, with scorching ray, it's one after another, so I'd say you could resolve each before you chose the target for the next.

There's no real RAW answer here, so you're up the whims of your DM, they may make you pick all of the targets simultaneously or be able to choose after resolving each attack. It makes more sense for powers like Magic Missile to assign the damage first (again, since each target gets a single damage roll) and for powers like Scorching Ray and Eldritch Blast to possibly be able to choose targets as you resolve the attacks.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Why does the number of damage rolls per target affect when the caster chooses what the targets are? \$\endgroup\$ – GMJoe Dec 5 '14 at 4:33
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    \$\begingroup\$ @GMJoe because a number of things proc per damage roll? But it's more about the model, if the model is multiple attacks, then that's one thing. If it's one attack, then that's another. MM is 1 attack, and see above for a quote that indicates why \$\endgroup\$ – wax eagle Dec 5 '14 at 12:01
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    \$\begingroup\$ You should edit the explanation that it's to do with what the rolls represent, and the quote, into your answer. \$\endgroup\$ – GMJoe Dec 8 '14 at 3:41

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