# Can I use Oversized weapons this way?

I have a few questions about Oversized D&D 4e weapons:

1. I'm playing a bugbear. I use Oversized to use a weapon one size larger. What does the damage of longbows (1d10) and greatbows (1d12) convert to? (One site says that it converts to 3d6, I'm using a greataxe as scale. And the SRD handbook says 1d12 two-handed weapons goes into 2d6, meaning it's useless.)

2. If I can use weapons one size larger, can I use this to have two, two-handed weapons in my original size?

3. If number 2 works, does it work with longbows, greatbows, or any other ranged weapon?

• Note the link you provided is for 3.5e, the DDI link for 4e is wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/glossary.aspx?id=433 Commented Feb 13, 2015 at 17:09
• If you weild a Brutal 2 Axe, a 2d6 damage weapon is far from useless. Commented Feb 14, 2015 at 18:44
• @CataruMoore The average of 2d6 is higher, and the deviation lower, than 1d12 though, so there is an actual increase in damage output over time. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 23:04

## Question 1

What do they convert into?

The Weapons and Size section on page 220 of the Player's Handbook says that:

Large, Huge, and Gargantuan creatures use weapons that are specifically sized for them. Each size category larger than Medium increases the weapon's damage die by one size.

This is followed by tables indicating the damage die size progression for each of one- and two-handed weapons:

One-Handed
1d4 -> 1d6 -> 1d8 -> 1d10 -> 1d12 -> 2d6 -> 2d8 -> 2d10

Two-Handed
1d8 -> 2d4 -> 1d10 -> 1d12 -> 2d6 -> 2d8 -> 2d10

So, since a medium longbow (which is two-handed) does 1d10 damage, a large one does 1d12. This increases the average damage from 5.5 to 6.5. Similarly, since a medium greatbow (which is two-handed) does 1d12, a large one does 2d6. This increases the average damage from 6.5 to 7.

## Question 2

If I can use weapons one size larger, can I use this to have two two-handed weapons in my original size?

Bugbears and Oversized are defined in the Monster Manual on page 276.

Bugbears are medium size. Oversized says that:

You can use weapons of your size or one size larger than you as if they were your size.

Since you can already use medium weapons as if they're medium, all this says is that you can use large weapons as if they were medium. It does not make you large, nor does it change the size of the large weapons, nor does it let you use weapons of any other size as if they were any other size, i.e. you can still only use small weapons as if they were small, not as if they were tiny.

Therefore, no, you cannot wield two medium two-handed weapons. You still treat them as if they were medium.

## Question 3

If number 2 works, does it work with longbow/greatbow or any other ranged weapon?

We've already established that number 2 doesn't work.

In the previously mentioned Weapons and Size section, it also states that:

Large creatures can use two-handed weapons intended for creatures one size category smaller than themselves and treat them as one-handed weapons. A fire giant (Large) can use a human's greatsword with one hand, and a fire titan (Huge) can use a fire giant's greatsword with one hand. A creature can't use an undersized one-handed weapon at all; its hand is too large to effectively hold the weapon's small grip.

Although it's not written explicitly, the examples make it clear that this rule is intended to apply to all creatures, not just Large ones, i.e.:

Creatures can use two-handed weapons intended for creatures one size category smaller than themselves and treat them as one-handed weapons.

In this case, it appears that you can wield a small two-handed ranged weapon, such as a small longbow, in each hand. This doesn't make much sense, and I would expect a good DM to rule against it on those grounds, but technically I think you could fire the longbows while wielding one in each hand.

That being said, you couldn't reload either of them.

On page 217 of the Player's Handbook, under Load:, it says that:

Any weapon that has the load property requires two hands to load, even if you can use only one hand to attack with it. (The sling, for example, is a one-handed weapon, but you need a free hand to load it.)

All ranged weapons that use ammunition have the Load property, including all bows and crossbows.

• Unless you somehow manage to take the Free load Feat. This frees up the ranged user's minor action without worrying about reloading but i think it only works with crossbows. so there's an option
– user21480
Commented Feb 20, 2015 at 15:43