How could I get a gish in pathfinder with spontaneous arcane casting without having to worry about spell failure chance.

To those that would say sorcerer/fighter, how do I avoid the spell failure chance? and how expensive would that be?

I was originally thinking I was going to have to pick something like magus for avoiding armor failure chance, so I was trying to figure out how to cast spontaneously, but if there is an effective and cost effective way to avoid the armor spell failure, that would be great.

So a viable solution would be:

  • A class that already has spontaneous arcane casting in armor.
  • OR a way to avoid the armor spell failure on a class with spontaneous arcane casting.
  • OR a way to gain spontaneous arcane casting on a class that can already ignore the armor spell failure penalty, but has to prepare their spells in advance.

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It seems like the Eldritch Scion Magus archetype is what you're looking for. It's basically a Magus that can cast its spells spontaneously. It also loses out on some other class features in order to gain access to a bloodrager bloodline. Like a regular Magus, an Eldritch Scion can use light armor without spell failure at first level, medium at 7th, and heavy at 13th.

You might also look at some of the third-party magus archetypes that grant spontaneous spellcasting: Extempresario, Spiderhawk, Primagus.

Summoners also have the ability to cast spontaneous arcane spells in light armor right away, no archetypes needed. You might also consider taking the Synthesist archetype, which replaces your eidolon with a suit of magical power armor.

  • \$\begingroup\$ @CataruMoore As David points out, you're not going to be able to have int-based spontaneous arcane casting without ASF. Are psionics acceptable to you? They have no ASF, Psions are int-based, and psionic powers do a lot of the things arcane spells do. \$\endgroup\$
    – DuckTapeAl
    Apr 3, 2015 at 15:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Cataru What psionics can do can't be summed up in just a comment. Fortunately, there's a whole website devoted to answering that question. (See the menu in the sidebar for the full list of psionics material.) \$\endgroup\$ Apr 3, 2015 at 17:19

Not including 3.5-only ways of reducing ASF (and boy there's a lot of those), here are the vanilla Pathfinder options for giving you a lower Arcane Spell Failure chance:

Bard (class)

Not really a gish, but bards can cast spells in light armor and with shields without incurring ASF.

Bloodrager (class)

The Bloodrager is a mix between Sorcerers and Barbarians. They use something similar to the Barbarian's rage, but can also cast spells during it. Bloodragers also ignore arcane spell failure chance in light and medium armor. Because they're a hybrid class, Bloodragers have slow spell advancement and only gain up to 4th level spells. They also don't have spells until level 4, meaning this isn't a great option for a new character.

Arcane Armor Training (feat)

Spend a swift action to reduce ASF by 10% for the rest of the round. When combined with other reductions, this one can be fairly useful as long as you have your Swift action available. If you're making a gish, the prerequisites are fairly easy to hit as long as you keep your CL up. Later on, this upgrades to Arcane Armor Mastery, which grants a 20% reduction.

The mythic version of this feat provides this bonus passively, without requiring an action to use.

Still Spell (feat, metamagic)

Still Spell removes the somatic components from a spell, increasing its spell level by 1. If you can afford this, it negates ASF entirely, because ASF does not apply to spells without somatic components. This is a good option for spontaneous casters.

Mithral Armor (material)

Mithral can be fairly expensive. It's 1,000 gp for light armor, 4,000 for medium, 9,000 for heavy, and 1,000 for shields. It reduces the ASF of the armor by 10%, as well as other benefits from being lighter such as a higher DEX bonus and lower ACP. Mithral items are all masterwork and the masterwork price is included in the price of mithral.

Ring of Spell Storing (magic item: 18,000gp minor, 50,000gp regular)

While it doesn't apply to all spells, a spell stored in a Ring of Spell Storing ignores any ASF you might have. Not a terrible solution if you can't reduce your ASF as far as you'd like.

Ring of Force Shield (magic item: 8,500gp)

Not really a way to reduce existing spell failure, but a good way to knock off any ASF caused by using a heavy shield. Summons a wall of force shaped like a shield that grants +2 AC and can be turned on and off at will for free. It's a wall of force so it'll also protect against incoporeal attacks, which is always nice. I highly recommend it for gishes.

  • \$\begingroup\$ If the hand isn't needed and the caster can afford the weight, a reasonable case can be made for the celestial shield (13,170 gp; 7 lbs.), despite its higher price point. \$\endgroup\$ Apr 3, 2015 at 12:51

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