Halfling Summoner lvl 9 in Pathfinder, with a big problem.

GM "killed" my Eidolon the only way he knew how: send it into the future a hundred years. It was planar locked, so when it got knocked out, it was stuck on the field and wasn't able to return to its home plane. He then sent it 100 years into the future.

Is there any way that it could return back to its plane and come back to my original time? Is there any way to get it back from 100 years in the future?

Is sending an eidolon 100 years into the future, to never return, even possible?

Cause if I don't have my eidolon, or I can't make a new one, then half of my feats, skills and a few spells are now worthless.

(Also, I know of the Scepter of Ages, and the GM said he probably won't help me find it.)

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    \$\begingroup\$ I suspect this will be hard or impossible to answer usefully, since your GM is the one making this stuff up. Have you tried talking to your GM about what their intentions are, and whether they think your character will be viable again any time soon? \$\endgroup\$ May 3, 2015 at 5:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ Is sending the character 100 years in the future an acceptable alternative? \$\endgroup\$ May 3, 2015 at 5:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ I am not sure, but he still wants me to use my character. And I was thinking of going 100 years into the future, but that would require finding a lvl 20 cleric or Sorcerer to use Miracle or Wish to help me and a lot of GP. Also the GM said he probably won't help me find the Scepter of Ages. \$\endgroup\$
    – Danny
    May 3, 2015 at 5:52
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Danny how does he force you to play with him, anyway? \$\endgroup\$
    – o0'.
    May 3, 2015 at 14:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ He doesn't but i wanna stick with this character. Was my 3rd character i made and I want to stick with him in this story. \$\endgroup\$
    – Danny
    May 3, 2015 at 21:21

3 Answers 3


According to the traditional summoner's eidolon class feature, this isn't a problem unless the GM says it is...

The traditional Pathfinder summoner's eidolon class feature says that

A summoner begins play with the ability to summon to his side a powerful outsider called an eidolon. The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature.... Eidolons are treated as summoned creatures.... A summoner can summon his eidolon in a ritual that takes 1 minute to perform.... The eidolon remains until dismissed by the summoner (a standard action). If the eidolon is sent back to its home plane due to death, it cannot be summoned again until the following day. The eidolon cannot be sent back to its home plane by means of dispel magic, but spells such as dismissal and banishment work normally. If the summoner is unconscious, asleep, or killed, his eidolon is immediately banished.

Emphasis mine. The term eidolon is used for two distinctly different creatures in this description. First, the eidolon is the creature to whom the summoner forms the link. Second, an eidolon is a summoned aspect of the creature to whom the summoner formed the link. The first, the linked eidolon, is unalterable without GM intervention. The second, an eidolon aspect, is just an incredibly complex creature that's summoned.

The description of the Conjuration school explains the significant differences between a creature that's summoned and a creature that's called. When a creature is summoned, the effect

brings a creature... to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from.... A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead.

Emphasis mine. A summoned eidolon whose summoning effect ends returns to where it came from. However, the DM may have confused a summoned eidolon with a creature that's called. When a creature is called, the effect

transports a creature from another plane to the plane you are on. The spell grants the creature the one-time ability to return to its plane of origin, although the spell may limit the circumstances under which this is possible. Creatures who are called actually die when they are killed; they do not disappear and reform.... The duration of a calling spell is instantaneous, which means that the called creature can't be dispelled.

This means, for example, a called eidolon would die only once ever, but a summoned eidolon can be summoned over and over despite its apparent death, banishment, disappearance, imprisonment, or whatever. The eidolon aspect is summoned not called.

Thus the summoner should be able to take a standard action to dismiss an eidolon aspect then summon again an eidolon aspect when he's able even if an eidolon aspect is 100 years in the future because the link the summoner formed is not to an eidolon aspect but to the linked eidolon from which the summoner summons an eidolon aspect. Even if an eidolon aspect is 100 years in the future, the linked eidolon should still exist during the summoner's time unless the GM's messed with that, too.

A clumsier, more succinct argument along similar lines in fewer words

As a summoned creature, an eidolon is instantly sent back where it came from when it's dismissed, killed, or whatever, and an eidolon transported 100 years into the future didn't come from 100 years in the future but 100 years in the past.

...Yet the GM may say the eidolon's disappearance is still a problem

I can't have all the information about the campaign, but it sounds like the summoner might've run afoul of the DM. It's easy to do with a summoner, which is widely considered one of the game's most powerful classes.1 It's possible that the DM decided to take away the eidolon only briefly—like some DMs are wont to do with a wizard's spellbook—because the DM assumed he occasionally should despite the game making eidolon removal really difficult (e.g. maybe an instantaneous effect like petrified persists until the effect can be removed). By pointing out the rules, the DM might, instead, take more drastic measures to mitigate the character's power.2 Alternatively, the DM could be planning something awesome but is unaware of how the eidolon works and citing the rules sabotages what might otherwise be a really cool plot.

So before you bring this up, talk to the GM about his plans and confirm that he recognizes how much of your character is bundled into this creature your character summons. If the GM appears sympathetic and says that you should wait a couple of sessions and everything'll be fine, then be patient. If the GM cackles maniacally and says that you're screwed, then bring up the rules.

Time travel yourself: A last resort

If it looks like the GM will never return your eidolon—despite this answer—, and you're nothing without an eidolon, and you've nothing tying yourself to the current time, wait the 100 years. Many possibilities for time traveling the hard way exist—most of them inconceivably boring—, but probably the most painless is to master a homunculus; buy stone salve and a scroll of flesh to stone; find a safe place to hole up (e.g. an elven law firm, a dwarven bank, an ancient creature's heavily-traveled and treasure-filled lair);3 order the homunculus to rub the stone salve on you in 100 years; and cast flesh to stone on yourself, voluntarily failing the saving throw. (The homunculus will be fine—it only goes nuts when you die not when you're petrified.)

However, expect any plan like this to go horribly wrong.

1 The summoner seems powerful because most choices are good choices. The summoner still pales before full casters. (Although some do call the summoner a full caster in 2/3 clothing because of the way its spell list is organized.)
2 The most extreme measure being killing the summoner, obviously.
3 Okay, not that last one.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Pathfinder Unchained uses the same "aspect of" language. \$\endgroup\$ May 4, 2015 at 17:27
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    \$\begingroup\$ I hope your GM doesn't know about the existence of "Unfettered Eidolons", otherwise he may retcon yours into one given those circumstances. \$\endgroup\$
    – Cobalt
    May 6, 2015 at 3:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ >"wait the 100 years" We don't believe that that's a solution? Wouldn't that merely leave the gap between your time and the eidolon's as 100 years still? You'd need to find some way to bridge that gap, or at least the way we're visualizing the timeline. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 23, 2016 at 21:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ @RyleeFowler Nah. If the summoner also travels 100 years into the future (no matter the means), the summoner's there exactly when the eidolon appears in that future (which is now the summoner's present). I don't think the question supposes the eidolon's constantly traveling 100 years in the summoner's future, somehow keeping pace with the summoner's advancing timeline. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 23, 2016 at 21:33

You're going to have to work it out with your GM.

The only place that I'm aware of in the Pathfinder rules that ever mentions time travel on a scale greater than rounds is the Scepter of Ages that you mentioned, and I only know about that because of your post. Time travel isn't really a thing that's standard to PF, and so the rules, and how precisely time travel can happen, is entirely up to your GM. Your GM is already using a bunch of houserules, and the implications of how those are going to play out is up to them. Your only real option is to sit down with your GM and explain how you really don't like that a major class feature was seemingly taken away from you, and ask how you can go about getting it back.

That said, there is something a little weird here. According to the Eidolon description:

Eidolons are treated as summoned creatures

You don't specify exactly how the eidolon was locked to your plane, but in the description for dimensional anchor, it says:

Also, dimensional anchor does not prevent summoned creatures from disappearing at the end of a summoning spell.

So basically, if your GM says that you can trap an eidolon on your plane by using something like dimensional anchor, he's using a house rule. It's actually a super easy rule to abuse, too. For example, you can summon a creature that's pretty beefy and cast dimensional anchor on it to keep it on this plane for minutes/level, instead of rounds. It turns a 1-combat spell into something that works for a while longer. I'm pretty sure there are ways of extending that duration even further, as well.


Check divination spells and think of questions to ask.

Also check through spells where you can send something to your eidolon, like sending or planar ally.

I also seem to remember reading a spell or ability (probably not summoner class, but maybe you could find an NPC of that class somewhere?) which does something like slows time around the target/caster or puts them into hibernation that can last years and takes weeks to wake up from. Can't seem to find it at the moment.

Another option would be to use divination spells to ask questions related to your current situation in the present. Who knows what'll happen? Maybe the GM has a plan where you later join your Eidolon, or it somehow makes its way back to you. Maybe you should go on an adventure through the different planes and see what happens.


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