I'm a fan of giving my characters magical items. In the past though, I've found that magical items start making combat trivial until I started adding extra enemies just to make it more difficult.

I'm currently using this page to calculate my encounters. As I give out magical items, specially combat oriented ones, should I start adding a level to my players (during the math, not in game) when creating encounters?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Do you give them custom items, or pre-set items? \$\endgroup\$
    – Joninean
    May 16, 2015 at 7:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ Mostly pre-set. I have a couple home brew cursed items. \$\endgroup\$
    – Juice
    May 16, 2015 at 13:03
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    \$\begingroup\$ This is a 5e question. Make sure you are answering with 5e experience and information only please. \$\endgroup\$
    – mxyzplk
    May 16, 2015 at 17:03

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Original Answer: Lots of Guesswork

I don't think any currently-published materials address the effect of magic items on encounter difficulty, but the rules assume a certain volume of magic items-per-level, and the difficulty calculations and monster challenge ratings probably take that into account. However, if your PCs are exceeding the daily recommended allowance of magic items (very vaguely defined, but see addendum below), XP thresholds based on their true experience levels are almost certainly useless.

That being said, it's possible to compare the powers of magic items to the bonuses players get by gaining experience levels. A weapon that confers +1 to attack and damage rolls is functionally the same, in-combat, as gaining 2 points in the relevant ability score. An item that lets you cast a certain spell once per day is "the same as" gaining a spell slot.

Combat-oriented magic items denoted by the DMG as uncommon or rare have effects that amount to a fraction of the increase in power received by gaining a single level, at least in the low-level tier for which they're recommended (per DMG 135). At level 4, the Druid gets an ability score improvement (combat-equivalent to that +1 weapon), another 2nd-level spell slot (roughly combat-equivalent to that spellcasting item), some more hit points, and another hit die. So if you give both those items to a level 4 Druid, that PC is almost level 4, for combat purposes. You might want to calculate two different XP thresholds, treating the PC as level 3 and then as level 4, or you might want to split the difference between them.

This approach can't account for the versatility that magic items provide. To a Wizard who already can cast scorching ray, a circlet of blasting is a fairly disappointing reward, but to a hammer-oriented Champion Fighter it opens up a world of hands-free blasting possibilities.

Combat-oriented items denoted by the DMG as very rare or rarer provide bonuses that far outstrip the benefits of ascending from experience level 3 to experience level 4, and may even be equivalent to a full experience level or more for PCs at level 15 or above. I have no experience with high-level 5e and can't really speak to that. It's not hard to guess, though, that if you provide your players with a lot of very rare-rated magic items, your hopes of accurately calculating combat difficulty will fly out the window.

Addendum: Lots of Rolling on Tables

On close inspection, the DMG is actually fairly specific about how many magic items a party should get. It just happens to establish this in an extremely roundabout way. On page 133: "Over the course of a typical campaign, a party finds treasure hoards amounting to seven rolls on the Challenge 0-4 table, eighteen rolls on the Challenge 5-10 table, twelve rolls on the Challenge 11-16 table, and eight rolls on the Challenge 17+ table."

Rather than reproducing the Challenge 0-4 table and the many tables it references, I'll present here only a few relevant values. A treasure horde generated for CR 0-4 has:

  • 36% chance of no magic items.
  • 24% chance of 1d6 items from Magic Item Table A.
  • 15% chance of 1d4 items from Magic Item Table B.
  • 10% chance of 1d4 items from Magic Item Table C.
  • 12% chance of 1d4 items from Magic Item Table F.
  • 3% chance of 1 item from Magic Item Table G.

Now, Table G is a level 4 adventurer's dream. You have a 10% chance to get a +2 weapon, which is categorically overpowered for this tier. If that's not broken enough, you might end up with a mace of disruption or a wand of wonder. A 3% chance of rolling on this table at this tier seems like a bit much to me, but I'm no wizard of a coast.

This is what the guidelines tell us, though, so let's pretend to roll 7 times on the Challenge 0-4 table. If we apply my liberal arts degree's understanding of the law of averages, I predict we'll end up getting no magic items twice, roll a total of 2d6 times on Magic Item Table A, and roll 1d4 times each on tables B, C, and F.

Table A is 98% consumables and a couple of fairly mundane utility items. Rolling 7 times, we'd probably get 3 or 4 potions of healing, 3 or 4 low-level spell scrolls (hopefully from the spell list of a caster in your party!), and maybe—if you're really lucky—a driftglobe.

Table B is 64% consumables, a few somewhat more interesting utility items, and a very few items like mithral armor with fairly remote combat applications. We'll probably get a couple of fun potions, but let's say we picked up that mithral armor. I won't tell if you don't.

Rolling twice on Magic Item Table C, we might pick up a necklace of fireballs, but far more likely we'll get a couple rare-ish potions.

On Magic Item Table F, we're looking at stuff like a +1 weapon, a circlet of blasting, or some gauntlets of ogre power. That is, a couple of those "combat-equivalent to gaining part of a level" items described above.

By the end of the level 1-4 tier, we've amassed (and likely consumed) quite a few potions and scrolls. Their effect on combat isn't nothing, but it's not really enough to impact any combat difficulty calculations.

Despite several opportunities to pick up some overpowered weapons or equipment, our permanent acquisitions are probably limited to two or three rare-grade items. And these we have to split among the whole party! Only a very greedy and very lucky PC will be carrying enough magic items to be treated as one experience level higher for combat purposes. It might not be a bad idea, though, to calculate your XP thresholds as if one PC is one level higher, if the efficacy of one additional experience level is spread out across the entire party.

I will spare you my "calculations" for your campaign's treasure horde yields in the level 5-10 tier and above, but I notice those tables continue to draw a lot from magic item tables A, B, and C. Following the guidelines on page 133, PCs can't really rely on these treasure hordes to contain permanent magic items until the level 17+ tier. Suddenly the limit on attunement to a maximum of three items doesn't seem like a huge deal!

Of course, relying exclusively on these tables is going to make for one boring campaign. So many potions of giant strength! Magic items are used best as storytelling props, hand-picked for their roles in the scenarios you create. But the printed guidelines clearly intend for a given PC to pick up only a small collection of permanent magic items over his or her career. I can conclude with some confidence that the intended magic item distribution is so sparse as should not affect encounter difficulty calculations.

But that conclusion answers a different question! For present purposes, the upshot to this excess of analysis is that we now have a benchmark for what the 5e rules consider the correct number of magic items ("not very many"), and can gauge by our distance from that figure how overpowered our party is for purposes of encounter difficulty calculation.

Glib Extra Answer

If your PCs have so many magic items that the monsters you pit against them are no longer a challenge, try giving some magic items to the monsters.

  • \$\begingroup\$ (You shouldn't let that stop you though, because magic items are a ton of fun.) \$\endgroup\$ May 15, 2015 at 20:43
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    \$\begingroup\$ I think my plan will be to make encounters overly hard and then use the magic of being a GM to make them easier if it's too tough. \$\endgroup\$
    – Juice
    May 15, 2015 at 20:49
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    \$\begingroup\$ You should make the encounters hard by making them interesting, not with more monsters and then cheapening the experience. \$\endgroup\$
    – ohmusama
    May 15, 2015 at 21:11
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    \$\begingroup\$ You mention rules for magic items per level, but I'm not aware of such rules being part of 5e. Can you provide a page number? \$\endgroup\$ May 16, 2015 at 16:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ A table on page 135 of the DMG (edited into answer) makes recommendations about which classes of magic items should be awarded at which level tiers. The recommended number of magic items to award can be very roughly inferred from the loot tables-by-level in the same chapter. That analysis is probably within the scope of this question, but unfortunately not within the scope of my available time right now! \$\endgroup\$ May 17, 2015 at 14:38

It has come to my believe that it is a fairly common problem that over-enthusiastic DM's give players too expensive magic items. An extreme example being that my DM once gave my level 3 sorcerer an item that gave +6 charisma.
Of course, the result is that suddenly your encounters are barely a threat to the players.

There are ways to calculate how much treasure your party should be given per encounter and how much treasure in total a player should have at a certain level, both given in an amount of gold. Since you give your players set magic items, which almost literally have a price tag next to them in the books, you can easily calculate how much gold in magic items you've given them.

Now, assuming you have given them too many items or items that are too expensive, can solve your problem in several ways:

Temporarily stop handing out magic-items.

Simply put: stop rewarding them magic items, until you think they have the right level for the items they currently have. This doesn't mean you won't hand out any treasure, just less magic items and more gold.

Temporarily only hand out cheap magic-items.

You can only throw in toys for your party, instead of extremely useful magic-items. This should eventually balance your party out in the long run. They might want to sell these since they find them useless, but that's completely fine.

Make the encounters more difficult/More encounters per day.

If you discover that you have indeed given too expensive or too many items, you can easily re-balance this by making the encounters a little harder; using your program, give half of the players in your party a higher level than they actually have. It's nothing official and still a bit of guess-work, but this could re-balance it quite a bit.
Another option could be coming up with random encounters which you can throw at them at any given moment. They've just had a battle that has gone a tad too easy for you, they suddenly get ambushed by another group of mobs! Beware that these random encounters shouldn't be too difficult, else you might accidentally wipe them out because the healer just ran out of mana or anything similar.

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    \$\begingroup\$ You mention ways to calculate how much treasure a party should be given. I'm not aware of anything like that in 5e. Can you provide a page number? \$\endgroup\$ May 16, 2015 at 16:30
  • \$\begingroup\$ @SevenSidedDie I don't own the 5e books, but there is enough information online. There are enough treasure-generators that keep player-level or CR in mind, like this one: redkatart.com/treasure5e/treasureGen.php \$\endgroup\$
    – Joninean
    May 16, 2015 at 17:50
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    \$\begingroup\$ You might be conflating how treasure works in 3.5e with how it works in 5e. Just because there's a way to generate treasure for an encounter doesn't mean there are guidelines for "how much treasure in total a player should have at a certain level." There are in fact not. The old "Wealth By Level" concept was eliminated for 5e. (In general, answering questions for games you haven't read/played is discouraged.) \$\endgroup\$ May 16, 2015 at 17:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ I found this page: reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/2ll099/… It might prove useful. Not a definitive answer, of course, but it might give the OP an idea. \$\endgroup\$
    – Joninean
    May 16, 2015 at 17:57

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