Before his ascension to the Golden Throne, God Emperor of Mankind fathered many children - Sensei - that have part of his power, including extreme long (if not outright immortal) life span. Unfortunately the sentence above is HERESY and those children are secretly hunted by the Inquisition, because they follow the ideas of Emperor rather than the corrupted empire.

On the other corner we have Imperial Saints, who share very similar traits to Sensei - they channel Emperor's power in level not accessible even to strongest psykers, they are nearly immortal (they can even reincarnate)... and they are revered through the Empire.

So, are saints in any way related to Sensei? Is it possible that imperial saints are simply Sensei who decided to cooperate with Empire? Or maybe they are Senseis' offspring, with Emperor as their grandfather?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Is this an RPG question? It appears to be purely a question of Warhammer 40k lore. \$\endgroup\$
    – Miniman
    Jun 23, 2015 at 1:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ Woops, I've meant Dark Heresy. But there is a number of rpg systems (dark heresy, deathwatch, black crusade) that use the same word setting, so it might be more system-wide \$\endgroup\$
    – Yasskier
    Jun 23, 2015 at 1:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ Still, you would probably get more answers in a forum for warhammer 40k (lore). Also, I assume you have already read the lexicanum and found nothing? \$\endgroup\$
    – Patta
    Jun 23, 2015 at 6:32

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There's nothing i've found that indicates one way or the other, and 40k fluff is so spread out and convoluted that Who Knows.

Assuming you are the GM, simply make it the way that fits your plot best.

If you're a player wanting to do something with that concept, talk to your GM about making it that way so you can do something with the concept.

Conceptually, though, there are some barriers between the two fluff concepts -

Living Saints - are high-charisma individuals empowered by the belief of the milling hordes of humanity. They typically do not start their lives as living saints, although some are said to have had blessed existences their entire lives. While their powers are 'from the emperor', it's strongly hinted that their popular following (all that delicious psychic energy) has something pretty big to do with their ability, and it does seem to manifest most often through followers, an army, a religious cause, etc. In the Eisenhorn and Gaunt novels by Dan Abnett, the nature of Saints and some links to the charismatic, psyker Inquisitors who also have powers and nature above the norm hints that perhaps they are just avatars of humanity in the same way a warboss is the avatar of the orkish waaagh.

Sensei - are 'special children' who can use the warp invisibly and even the emperor can't see them. And they're basically jedi. And it involves the Star Child, also known as oh no, god no. And they are tools of 'the illuminati' and overall everything about them reads like the fanfic of someone with very little imaginative power.

If you wanted to use them as a single conflated concept, i'd probably rip the sensei fluff right back to it's roots and rewrite them entirely, but even then you lose all the 'hints that all isn't simplistic' that make the Living Saints such interesting, powerful characters. Overall, unless I could think of some way to make the sensei better than their existing fluff, I would not try to conflate the concepts, and i'd just use a living saint (or nascent living saint) for whatever campaign or concept I was trying to embody.

  • \$\begingroup\$ The more I read your answer, the more I have a mental picture of a sensei as a snotty-nosed kid, bragging to his schoolmates that "my daddy is more important than your daddy". I guess I'll stick to "normal" saints rather than the "Mary Sue" ones. \$\endgroup\$
    – Yasskier
    Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ The star child IS the emperor as far as I know. The sense I are in some way related to him. They're anti-psykers with an anti-soul. Invisible to demons and other warp entities, and are sought out by the inquisition and illuminati both to attempt to use as a vessel for the emperor. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 6, 2017 at 0:58

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