I may be using the Proto-Creature inherited template for a game in which I also plan to use the Spellfire feat. Now the Proto-Creature template removes all (Sp) and (Su) abilities from the base creature. Spellfire is a (Su) ability and the feat can only be taken at first character level. My potential GM brought up that Proto-Creature would remove this ability altogether because your 1st level feat is also "inherited" so to speak.
Basically, which comes first? Would a Proto-Creature be able to take the Spellfire feat? And do you have any rule source you can quote for me or direct me to so I can show it to him to support my argument? As far as I am aware, every template functions with gaining first level feats after applying everything else, but I don't know of an exact rule to cite for this. By his logic, any 1st class level (Sp/Su) stuff would also be nullified by the Proto-Creature template, and I'm pretty sure that would be false as well...
Presented the following to the GM.
- RAW of the Warforged stats showing feats were not part of it.
- RAW of the Monster Manual rules on adding templates.
- RAW of the Player's Handbook rules on creating a character.
I've been looking in Savage Species and didn't find anything to support it yet.