In the description of the Flame Blade spell, it is mentioned that

You wield this bladelike beam as if it were a scimitar.

What is the relevance of that?

Does it mean that since my Druid is a Halfling, he deals less than the listed 1d8 damage? (It doesn't say anything about that in the spell)

Does it mean that if I grab Weapon Focus (Scimitar) the +1 bonus to attack rolls applies?

Can I cast Magic Weapon on it to make it stronger?

Or is it just about the looks of the weapon and isn't it supposed to do anything, mechnically?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Excellent question; I have absolutely no idea. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Jul 22, 2015 at 16:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ From my intuition I would say that yes, weapon-centric feats would apply, so would lack-of-proficiency (if that were somehow applicable), and anything that affects a weapon. Damage wouldn't change, but this is all just how I feel, not official. As KRyan said, "I have absolutely no idea." \$\endgroup\$
    – GreySage
    Commented Jul 22, 2015 at 16:32
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    \$\begingroup\$ Related. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 22, 2015 at 17:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ Pathfinder answer: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46483/… \$\endgroup\$
    – mxyzplk
    Commented Jul 23, 2015 at 1:37

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"You wield this bladelike beam as if it were a scimitar."

The creature employing the sword-like beam effect of the 2nd-level Drd spell flame blade [evoc] (PH 231) uses it in combat as if the sword-like beam were a scimitar except that...

  • When the creature makes attacks with the sword-like beam, he makes them as melee touch attacks.
  • When the sword-like beam deals damage, it deals 1d8 points of fire damage +1 point per two caster levels (maximum +10). Note: It doesn't deal slashing damage. This is important for some feats with which a scimitar-substitute could normally be used .
  • The spell's sword-like beam is an evocation effect.
  • When the sword-like beam strikes a creature with spell resistance, the caster makes a caster level check. Success means this casting of the spell deals damage to the creature as normal for its duration. Failure means this casting of the spell deals no damage to the creature for its duration.
  • The sword-like beam is immaterial.
  • The sword-like beam can ignite (easily?) combustible materials. Note: This is not given formal rules text and is, in fact, a direct copy-and-paste from the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, 2nd Edition spell flame blade (Player's Handbook (1995) 260), so take this ignition capacity with the appropriate grain of salt.

Because the sword-like beam is wielded as if a scimitar, the sword-like beam is a martial 1-handed weapon, so wielding the sword-like beam as an off-hand weapon incurs greater penalties than would a light weapon (but this is likely compensated for by the wielder needing only to make touch attacks), and the weapon could be wielded two-handed (although this would provide no benefit to the sword-like beam's damage). I think it's fine to permit a second casting of the spell flame blade to allow the wielder to use two-weapon fighting with a pair of sword-like beams because that's kind of awesome (although, admittedly, druids don't need to be more awesome), but this may trouble more conservative DMs.

This DM would let a creature's special abilities that could be used while wielding a scimitar be used while wielding the sword-like beam (the creature could benefit from the feat Bladebearer of the Valenar (PE 141) or Crescent Moon (CW 113), for example) and were the creature to have picked the scimitar for use with specific special abilities I'd permit the creature to use sword-like beam with those, too (the creature's feat Weapon Focus (scimitar) applying to the sword-like beam, for example).

I wouldn't count the weapon against the creature's encumbrance (the sword-like beam is immaterial, after all). There doesn't appear to be any prohibition against or special effects associated with dropping the effect, being disarmed of the effect, or handing the effect to someone else (be careful anyway). However, a creature not proficient with the scimitar will suffer appropriate penalties for nonproficiency when wielding the sword-like beam.

There are strong arguments both for and against a caster's ability to target the the sword-like beam with spells targeting weapons. In this case, as an evocation effect that creates an immaterial sword-like beam, I'd argue that the sword-like beam is simply too far from an actual, for-reals weapon to be an appropriate target for a spell like magic weapon, but I'd also argue that being able to cast such spells on the effect probably wouldn't unbalance the game. (This latter point is slightly harder to argue if artificer's infusions are available, however.)

  • \$\begingroup\$ "wielding the sword-like beam as an off-hand weapon incurs greater penalties than would a light weapon" - Given that it's immaterial (ie, weightless), why wouldn't it count as "light"? \$\endgroup\$
    – Adeptus
    Commented Jul 23, 2015 at 3:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Adeptus Because you wield the bladelike beam as if it were a scimitar, and a scimitar is a 1-handed weapon. (I know that's crazy. A house rule that says the immaterial sword of fire is a light weapon seems reasonable—especially since the bladelike beam can't be used with the feat Power Attack anyway—, yet maybe that was the point: to avoid making the spell flame blade a supplement for the game's normal weapons? I dunno.) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 23, 2015 at 5:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ Is there a particular reason you can't use Power Attack with it? The Feat just mentions "melee attacks", which this definately is. \$\endgroup\$
    – Erik
    Commented Jul 23, 2015 at 6:29
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Erik I was prohibiting using the feat Power Attack with the spell flame blade on the basis of a really strict reading of Your Strength modifier does not apply to the damage and the spell's fixed damage, but you're right that the ability to use Power Attack with flame blade could go either way. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 23, 2015 at 10:31

This question isn't explained very well by the spell.

The spell text for Flame Blade is very vague when it states whether or not any proficiency, focus, or specialization apply for the use of the spell. I'd say the usefulness of the spell would lie in what exactly your DM allows to be applied to the spell.

The spell describes the effect as a "Sword-like beam" which means likely you're actually grasping a beam of fire that functions similar to holding a Scimitar. Since the spell doesn't list a weight for the weapon and its an Evocation spell (Create Fire) instead of a Conjuration spell (Create Scimitar) we can also infer that the weapon in question doesn't have a physical form, and therefore likely wouldn't require any of the proficiencies that Conjuring a weapon of the more solid variety would take.

The damage of a spell doesn't change based on your size, so you have nothing to worry about there. Magical power is not proportional to the size of one's body. However, due to the fact that the spell requires a Melee touch attack instead of a regular attack roll that would make it sufficiently easier to hit with, which would lead me to believe that it isn't meant to stack with weapon focus, as most things have a relatively low touch AC in the early levels.

Since it isn't a Conjured blade but is rather an evocated beam of fire, I would also assume that you cannot stack Magic weapon with the spell, as it already has its own damage scaling and its own "to hit" mechanic as well. But your DM make have very different feelings on the matter, so it would be prudent of you to ask him before using the spell or investing resources to increase the spells effectiveness.


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