# How is the "Lucky" Feat affected by Advantage/Disadvantage?

If I have the Lucky feat1, it allows me to choose to take a re-roll, to see if I might do better on a d20 check:

Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20. You can choose to spend one of your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined. You choose which of the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw.

So in the chance of a disadvantaged roll, I can choose to attempt a better roll; but if the outcome is still worse, it does not expend a "luck point", should I choose. Is this the case?

1 Not to be confused with the Halfling's racial trait also called Lucky that works somewhat differently.

• Commented Sep 24, 2015 at 15:38
• Commented Oct 2, 2020 at 22:40

According to this question from the Sage Advice Compendium, if you roll with disadvantage and use a luck point, you get to choose which of the three dice you use, effectively turning disadvantage into super-advantage:

How does the Lucky feat interact with advantage and disadvantage?

The Lucky feat represents extraordinary luck that can help you when you need it most. It lets you spend a luck point; roll an extra d20 for an attack roll, ability check, or saving throw; and then choose which d20 to use. This is true no matter how many d20s are in the mix. For example, if you have advantage or disadvantage on your attack roll, you could spend a luck point, roll a third d20, and then decide which of the three dice to use. You still have advantage or disadvantage, since the feat doesn’t say it negates it, but you get to pick the die. The upshot of this fact is that a rogue, for instance, who has disadvantage on an attack roll couldn’t use Sneak Attack even if the rogue uses the Lucky feat to pick the die.

The Lucky feat is a great example of an exception to a general rule. The general rule in this case is the one that tells us how advantage and disadvantage work. The specific rule is the Lucky feat, and we know that a specific rule trumps a general rule if they conflict with each other.

If a DM wants advantage and disadvantage to play their normal roles even when the Lucky feat is used, here’s a way to do so: roll two d20s for advantage/disadvantage, roll a third d20 for Lucky, eliminate one of the three dice, and then use the higher (for advantage) or lower (for disadvantage) of the two dice that remain.

It does still preclude using things dependent on not having disadvantage, like Sneak Attack, which Jeremy Crawford reminds us of in this tweet. You can even choose to roll the third die after you've seen the result of the roll.

As noted in xanderh's answer, the way Lucky interacts with disadvantage (RAW) is:

1. You roll 3 dice.
2. You choose which one you want to use.

This effectively turns disadvantage into a huge advantage, except for the fact your action is still treated as done in disadvantage, as noted in this tweet by rules designer Jeremy Crawford. So, answering your question, no, you don't get to not expend the lucky dice, but you also can't ever get a worse outcome, because you still can choose the higher dice from before.

I'd like to add some additional references from Jeremy Crawford.

First, it should be noted that in what seems to be the first time this question came to surface, the answer was actually different. In this answer, you would take the middle dice (second best/second worst). This might indicate that RAI, originally, Lucky shouldn't be so good. It is also stated as a potential problem and other solutions have been proposed. I'd like to point out that Crawford has said:

Sage advice is for clarification, not redesign.

and also:

In Sage Advice, I explain how the game works, not how I wish it worked.

The Sage Advice Compendium has, since then, also included an extra paragraph on their clarification of the Lucky feat:

If a DM wants advantage and disadvantage to play their normal roles even when the Lucky feat is used, here’s a way to do so: roll two d20s for advantage/disadvantage, roll a third d20 for Lucky, eliminate one of the three dice, and then use the higher (for advantage) or lower (for disadvantage) of the two dice that remain.

With that in mind, as a player you should probably ask your DM how he's going to handle this interaction before choosing the feat, and as a DM it's up to you choosing between RAW and (possibly) RAI (certainly more balanced). Unlike RAW, as a DM you can play exactly how you wish it was played and how you think it should be played.

• Worthy answer. I usually go RAW, but knowing that Crawford regards the RAW as problematic makes me want to rule the less lucky way. Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 17:33
• As someone intensely frustrated by the generally accepted answer, this answer makes me glad. Also, this seems like raw to me Commented Apr 12, 2020 at 12:39

To put it simply, the phrase used in the PHB is "Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20." This means you get to add a d20 to the amount rolled, e.g. if two d20s are being used, you roll three. "You choose which of the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw." This means that the player is able to choose which of the three rolls is used to create the end result.

• Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. While your answer is correct, it seems to sort of reiterate what xanderh's answer already says... Though yours takes readers through the logical steps more clearly. :) Commented Apr 12, 2020 at 6:29
• Good answer, I like that you actually answered the question about "can I spend the point after seeing all 3 die" with a quote from the rules instead of simply asserting that you spend the point first. Commented Jun 30, 2020 at 6:16

It's simpler than that. A disadvantage roll rolls 2d20 and discards the higher one, leaving only the lower; once you know what number your single one die has rolled, you can choose to spend a Luck Point to roll a second 1d20 (this one without the disad) and then choose which of the two rolls you take.

TL;DR You don't choose among three dice, you choose between two rolls.

• This almost directly contradicts the previous post. While yes this might be an interpretation of the rules, the previous post contains info from an authority on the Rules as Written.
– Ben
Commented Sep 27, 2015 at 6:19
• The feat also says "regardless of how many dice are involved" Commented Sep 27, 2015 at 11:00
• This is my interpretation of the feat as well. I don't actually understand how Sage Advice comes up with their interpretation. Commented Dec 4, 2017 at 1:26
• While this is the most reasonable interpretation, the timing language of Lucky means this is not RAW. "Whenever you [make a roll], you can ... roll an additional d20. ... You choose which of the d20s is used...". You may also choose to spend the luck point "after you roll" but before an "outcome is determined". So it does, both RAW/RAI, grant super advantage from disadvantage. But as the GM, your decisions are final! This is a great example of why playing solely by the RAW or RAI can cause silliness in the game. Use your judgement to make rulings that are right for your table! Commented Jan 19, 2019 at 20:04

Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20. You can choose to spend one of your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined. You choose which of the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw.

I don't know why Crawford would interpret the text that way, and I hope that if it is addressed in an official Errata, he will reconsider what he said (assuming he said it on Twitter). I think that El Suscriptor is correct.

For one, you do expend a luck point if you roll a luck die because "you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20" whenever you make an attack, meaning that if you choose to use your luck point and roll, it will be expended. This is indicated by the phrase, "You can choose to spend one of your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined," which isn't commenting on when you can choose to expend a luck point in and of itself. Rather, it refers to the time that you may expend your luck point as part of the mechanism that it entails. In other words, expending a luck point necessarily gives you the right to roll a die to give you the de facto advantage.

Two, the text unambiguously states that there is no "superadvantage." This is because die is singular, not plural:

You can choose to spend one of your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined.

It's saying, "You can spend a luck point [and therefore roll another die] after your attack roll [of one die]." If there were a "superadvantage," the previous sentence would say "die or dice," but it does not. This means that, as El Suscriptor said, you choose between two rolls. It is like doing the order of operations in a simple math equation. For example, if you look at 2*(5+3), you don't multiply 5 by 2 and then 3 by 2, you need to conclude the addition within the paraphrase. Using that same order of logic, you need to conclude the advantage or disadvantage procedure.* If you roll a 1 and a 20 with disadvantage, you take the 1. That is your die after the roll, and then a luck point can be expended (roll a die) before the outcome is determined (i.e. when the DM says you crit missed or whatever).

* Procedure:

When you have either advantage or disadvantage, you roll a second d20 when you make the roll. Use the higher of the two rolls if you have advantage, and use the lower roll if you have disadvantage. For example, if you have disadvantage and roll a 17 and a 5, you use the 5. If you instead have advantage and roll those numbers, you use the 17.

Notice that you must decide which of the two dice must be used. It must be concluded, and it's mutually exclusive of any other rolls or procedures. It is a bracketed section of a math equation.

• Your argument seems to hinge on the authors eschewing the phrase "die or dice." But there are literally hundreds of occurrences of "die" which would have to be replaced with "die or dice" if your reading is correct. (Or, if we don't, then it turns out that (dis)advantage doesn't come into play nearly as consistently as we thought.) Can you address the precedent your reading would set?
– nitsua60
Commented Apr 18, 2016 at 19:50
• I wanted to upvote this just because I think it brings some value... oh hell I did upvote, but nearly didn't because of " 2*(5+3), you don't multiply 5 by 2 and then 3 by 2"; this is wrong. The correct statement is "you don't multiply 5 by 2 and then add 3", since algebra (factoring) certainly relies on the distributive property! Any ways back to your idea about sets. We interpret it the same way. Adv and disadvantage are considered a single roll. We frequently use lucky and no one to date has has thought to use it in this way... Commented Nov 11, 2018 at 20:16
• @nitsua60 you are right in that his argument is about the plurality. We are not concerned about all the places die could replace dice, only those places where a d20 is concerned with advantage and disadvantage. His argument is that advantage and disadvantage are sets (of two) with pick highest and pick lowest respectively, this results in a single die outcome. I think this is clear. In this interpretation there is a significant difference between spending the luck point up front (at the time of the roll which would result in a set of 3 pick highest) and after which results in this outcome. Commented Nov 11, 2018 at 20:31
• Run disadvantage procedure, including picking the lower roll. All is good. Now use Lucky. It states you can choose which die to use, which makes the disadvantage pick irrelevant; you could even pick the higher of the two original disadvantage dice. Still, good analysis: +1
– Yakk
Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 19:56

The other answers address the case of advantage or disadvantage, but I feel the issue of “not expending the luck point” hasn’t quite been answered. When the rule says (emphasis yours):

Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw, you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20. You can choose to spend one of your luck points after you roll the die, but before the outcome is determined.

“the die” means the d20 rolled for the original attack or check, not the extra die rolled for using the feat. I can see how this might seem ambiguous, but the wording is the same as for similar abilities that allow a player to choose when they will apply to a roll, like bardic inspiration.

So the process goes:

• Roll the original check (with an extra die for advantage or disadvantage if applicable)
• Having seen the result (or results) of the dice roll, but before it has an in-game effect, decide whether to spend a luck point
• If you spend a luck point, roll an extra die and choose one out of all dice rolled to be the one used as the result
• The DM accepts that roll and uses it to determine the outcome

The answer to the core question seems to be dependent on whether you're asking about the rule as written(RAW), or the rule as intended(RAI).

As has been pointed out in other answers, the rule as intended* seems to be that you can use the Lucky Feat to essentially turn disadvantage into advantage but better; The only downside being it doesn't count as advantage for rules which care.

However, the rule as written does not function that way. To explain, we need to look at the Lucky Feat and the Basic Rules for advantage and disadvantage. We then have to determine which clauses within these rules are in conflict with each other.

Both rules have similar clauses to determine when they are to be used. They both refer to when a player is called to make an attack role, saving throw, or ability check. Specifically, the clause for when to use the rules for advantage and disadvantage is invoked whenever a special ability or spell tells you that you have advantage or disadvantage. The clause for when to use the Lucky feat is whenever you make an attack roll, saving throw, or ability check, you decide if you are going to spend a luck point.

After that, the rules seem to align fairly well. Adv/Dis rules say "you roll a second d20," while the lucky feat says "you can spend one luck point to roll an additional d20." The inclusion of the term 'additional' allows the rules to interact without concern, as the Lucky feat just increases the number of d20 rolled by one, regardless of how many are normally rolled.

It's the next clause where things become unclear. The Lucky feat says "You choose which of the d20s is used for the attack roll, ability check, or saving throw," while the Adv/Dis rules state, "Use the higher of the two rolls if you have advantage, and use the lower roll if you have disadvantage." These clauses directly contradict each other. Both rules continue, but neither provides specific instruction on what to do if the other clause is in effect. Adv/Dis rules give examples of what to do if a rule allows you to reroll or replace a die roll, but not what to do if a third die is rolled. They also say Adv/Dis can not stack, but does not explicitly state that another ability (or feat) can not be used to roll a third die.

In cases where rules directly contradict each other, the rulebook states Specific beats General. However, rules in 5e are not designated as either 'general' or 'specific,' nor are they given 'levels' of 'specificity.' This means that the usage of the terms involved are their common usage in society, and not that they are game terms used by the rules themselves. So, to determine which rule trumps the other, we must determine which rule is more specific about when it is invoked.

As discussed, the rules for the Lucky feat state it applies "Whenever you make an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw." By contrast, the Adv/Dis rules apply only when "a special ability or spell tells you that you have advantage or disadvantage on an ability check, a saving throw, or an attack roll." This means that the Lucky feat is the more general rule, as it applies in all cases where a player makes an attack roll, ability check, or saving throw, as opposed to only those cases where you are making those rolls and another rule tells you you have advantage or disadvantage.