# If a creature is dropped on a monster, how much damage does each of them take?

If a character who was under the effect of a growth potion (double their height and eight times their weight) and weighed 2,400 lbs. was able to use Dimension Door to teleport 400 feet or more into the air, directly above a Huge-sized monster, and fell on it, how much damage would the falling creature - and the monster - take?

I would assume both would take the 20d6 max for the falling over 200 feet, but is there a estimation on additional damage for the falling creature's size?

According to the splat calculator, at 500 feet you'd be falling at 196 km/hr, and it would expend 1.6 million joules of energy, the equivalent of over 3,000 mid-sized cars hitting an object at 60 km/hr.

A 2,400-lb. barbarian falling 500 feet is like dropping a mid-sized Toyota Corolla off a 50 story building onto a monster - it should do some damage.

The best relation is the Falling Roof Trap listed in the DMG and Phandelver Module. If triggered, it deals 4d10 bludgeoning damage, but allows for a DEX save. Here, you're dropping something significantly larger, from a greater height.

You can reach back further to 3.5 and compare it against the Siege Engines. A heavy Catapult launches a sizable stone for 6d6 bludgeoning after traveling an arc with a base of at least 100 ft. Again, this is something larger, falling from a greater height.

The math for this starts with the understanding the surface area of the impact to determine the DC for a dex save, a perception check with a decreasing DC to perceive the falling man, and an estimation of the mass of the falling object. For a base assumption, refer to page 249 of the DMG for Improvising Damage. This is less than a crashing flying fortress, but more than compacting walls. In terms of Damage Severity, this should be at least deadly for any one caught in the center of the target area, and dangerous for those on the edge.

Per the optional rule for falling onto a creature in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, page 170:

If a creature falls into the space of a second creature and neither of them is Tiny, the second creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or be impacted by the falling creature, and any damage resulting from the fall is divided evenly between them. The impacted creature is also knocked prone, unless it is two or more sizes larger than the falling creature.

Per the falling rules (Player's Handbook, page 183):

At the end of a fall, a creature takes 1d6 bludgeoning damage for every 10 feet it fell, to a maximum of 20d6. The creature lands prone, unless it avoids taking damage from the fall.

So a character becoming Large just makes the Huge creature have to roll to avoid falling prone; it wouldn't affect the damage at all. If the Huge creature fails its saving throw, both the character and the Huge creature would fall prone and take half of 70 (20d6) bludgeoning damage. If the Huge creature passes the saving throw, then only the character falls prone and takes the full 70 (20d6) damage.

• The optional falling rules from Xanathar's talk about falling 500 feet per turn, which is irrelevant due to the damage cap from the DMG. If there are other additional falling rules in Xanathar's, please let me know. I updated the answer to say that Tasha's rule was optional. Commented Jan 22, 2021 at 20:38
• @Medix2 Any reason the bounty has not been awarded? If you're looking for additional details, let me know and I'll update the answer Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 5:40
• Oh no reason, I usually just wait until the very end to actually place the bounty so that the answer actually gets more upvotes as well Commented Jan 25, 2021 at 17:04

I would use the Tavern Brawler feat. This makes you proficient with improvised weapons and unarmed strikes, with unarmed strikes using a d4 for damage. Since you are attacking the target with your body and not a weapon, it would count as an unarmed strike and come under Tavern Brawler. Tavern Brawler also allows you to attempt to grapple the target as a bonus action after you hit them with an improvised weapon or unarmed strike, which then makes them easier for the rest of your party to hit.

Tavern Brawler gives you 1d4 total damage for unarmed strikes so you might want to try working something out with your DM so the d4s scale with the height dropped and weight of the dropee to better reflect the damage dealt to the target (e.g. 1d4 for every 10/20/50 ft dropped before reaching the target plus 1d4 for every 100 pounds of body weight or something similar). Some people have suggested 2d4 of damage in similar situations, one for the dropee and one for the target, however as you pointed out, a 2400lb barbarian dropping 400ft would probably do a lot more damage to the target than a single d4.

As for the damage to the dropee, I think it would be reasonable to have them take less damage than the creature they're landing on as otherwise there's not much point attacking in such a way - maybe roll the d4s for height and weight separately and have your character only take the height damage? These are very rough suggestions that would need to be refined further.

Bonus:

If you have a character that can fly, taking the Tavern Brawler feat will allow your character to pick up a creature and fly with them at half flying speed. You can then drop them onto another creature as an improvised weapon.

Mechanics-wise, once you are grappling a creature, you can use your action to move at half your movement speed, effectively dragging the creature with you. If the creature is less than your flying carrying capacity and you can fly, you can fly and take them with you. You could then improvise a weapon out of the grappled creature that is now in the air using Tavern Brawler and use the shove action to launch them onto a different enemy on the ground. I would consider such an action to be an attack on both parties, since shove is an attack action and you are striking the creature on the ground with an improvised weapon.

The Grappler feat is not strictly necessary but comes in useful since you have advantage on all attacks made against a creature you are grappling - useful if the creature you're grappling decides to try and deal damage to you rather than escaping. An even better feat is Shield Master, which allows you to attempt to shove as a bonus action rather than a full action, which means that the whole manoeuvre can be executed in one turn! - grapple with your attack, use your movement to fly into the air, and then bonus action shove onto another creature below, all before the grappled creature has a chance to attack you. Tavern brawler allows you to attempt a grapple as a bonus action but then the grappled creature has a chance to attack you before you can shove them away.

• Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Can you explain how/why you think Tavern Brawler's changed damage die for unarmed strikes would apply in this case? (Also, it's tangential to the question, but the claim that "the Tavern Brawler and Grappler feats will allow your character to pick up a creature and fly with them at half flying speed" definitely needs to be justified. It's not clear what exactly you're saying there.) Commented Jan 16, 2019 at 2:56
• I feel this answer makes a lot of assumptions, was there ever a case where you played at a table that considered dropping a creature as "an improvised weapon"? You can for instance, roll a boulder onto a creature, but I would still consider that an action as you are interacting with a terrain feature, not "swinging a chair like a club"
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