7
\$\begingroup\$

I am looking for a flying mount for my character. I want a mount that is:

  • Large (my character is medium, and I don't want one that can't squeeze through things I can go through)

  • Good maneuverability or better. This is the one I am having trouble with, as I can't find a large animal with a decent fly speed with good maneuverability

  • Decent fly speed (70+)

  • Not too slow on the ground, at least a move speed of 30ft

  • Can become a cohort. This is preferable but not necessary.

I understand that there is probably not a "perfect" mount for my character in the monster manual. My DM is very strict on CORE only, so please don't recommend animals that are not in the first MM

\$\endgroup\$
  • \$\begingroup\$ This is an extremely good question. There are very few good flying mounts in 3.5, even outside core. An authoritative answer on this topic would be a useful resource. \$\endgroup\$ – user2754 Dec 6 '15 at 17:24
9
\$\begingroup\$

The nightmare is the only creature that as printed meets the criteria, but a half-celestial centaur, lamia, unicorn, or winter wolf can also easily meet the criteria. The giant bee and the spell phantom steed's effect almost meet the criteria. Details below.


Monster Manual Large creatures with land speeds of at least 30 ft. and fly speeds of at least 70 ft. with good or perfect maneuverability include...

Likely Choices

  • The nightmare (MM 194-5) with fly 90 ft. (good). Explicitly allowed to become a cohort, the nightmare has a Level Adjustment of +4 making the typical nightmare ECL 10. Further, unlike many other creatures on this list, it's horse-like and, despite its Intelligence score of 13, allows itself to be ridden by, for example, the night hag (MM 193-4).
  • An appropriate creature with the template half-celestial (MM 144-6) gains a fly speed equal to twice its base land speed and good maneuverability. (As opposed to the average maneuverability granted by the templates half-dragon (MM 146-7) and half fiend (MM 147-9).) The Level Adjustment for a creature with the template half-celestial is +4.

    Monster Manual Large creatures to which the half-celestial template can be applied with minimal fuss that then have a fly speed of at least 70 ft. include a blink dog (MM 28) advanced to at least 8 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 14), the centaur (MM 32) (ECL 10), an ethereal filcher (MM 104-5) advanced to at least 8 Hit Dice, an ethereal marauder (MM 105) advanced to at least 5 Hit Dice, an at least Large fire elemental (MM 98-99), a formian warrior (MM 109-10) advanced to at least 9 Hit Dice, a formian taskmaster (MM 109-10) advanced to at least 10 Hit Dice, the formian myrmarch (MM 110-1), the guardian naga (MM 192), a krenshar (MM 163) advanced to at least 5 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 11), the leonal (MM 142) advanced to at least 19 Hit Dice, the phase spider (MM 207-8), and the unicorn (MM 249-50) (ECL 12). Obviously, some of these make more sense than others. (A half-celestial centaur or unicorn? Sure. A half-celestial fire elemental or formian taskmaster? Not so much.)

    Because their alignments aren't usually compatible, creatures that are atypical prospects for the template half-celestial include the achaieri (MM 9-10), the annis (MM 143), the dark naga (MM 191-2), the displacer beast (MM 66-7) (ECL 14), the frost giant (MM 122-3) (ECL 22), a hellhound (MM 152-3) advanced to at least 9 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 16), the howler (MM 154-5) (ECL 13), the lamia (MM 165) (ECL 17), a shadow mastiff (MM 222) advanced to at least 7 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 18), the spirit naga (MM 192-3), the winter wolf (MM 256) (ECL 13), a worg (MM 256-7) advanced to at least 7 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 12), and a xill (MM 259-60) advanced to 9 Hit Dice (minimum ECL 17). Again, some of these make more sense than others. Also remember that even if a creature is listed as always being a certain alignment that always doesn't actually mean always (see Alignment on MM 305 and this question).

    What about half-celestial animals?

    The core rules don't really support animals being the targets of the 5th-level Drd spell awaken [trans] (PH 202) first then somehow gaining the normally inherited template half-celestial afterward, but if the DM can be convinced this happens somehow or that awakened once-animal-now-outsiders naturally roam wild somehow or whatever, animals that after gaining the template half-celestial that have fly speeds of at least 70 ft. include the bison (MM 269-70), brown bear (MM 269), camel (MM 270), dire bear (MM 63), dire boar (MM 63), dire lion (MM 63), dire tiger (MM 65), dire weasel (MM 65) advanced to at least 7 Hit Dice, a dire wolf (MM 65-6), heavy horse (MM 273), heavy warhorse (MM 273-4), hyena (MM 274) advanced to at least 4 Hit Dice, light horse (MM 273), light war horse (MM 274), polar bear (MM 269), lion (MM 274-5), tiger (MM 281-2), and wolf (MM 283) advanced to at least 4 Hit Dice.

    In all cases creatures without a listed ECL aren't given one here. The DM decides if a creature's ECL remains based on the creature's Hit Dice (like I've done here) when the creature's advanced to size Large; such a creature's Challenge Rating usually increase by an additional +1 when that happens (see Table 4–4: Improved Monster CR Increase on MM 294); what happens to its Level Adjustment is up to the DM.

    Thus the most likely and conservative choices are the ECL 10 half-celestial centaur with fly 100 ft. (good) and the ECL 12 half-celestial unicorn with fly 120 ft. (good). Easily adjudicated but less likely to occur in nature are the ECL 13 half-celestial winter wolf with fly 100 ft. (good) and the ECL 17 half-celestial lamia with fly 120 ft. (good).

Interesting and very close

  • The giant bee (MM 284) advanced to at least 7 Hit Dice with fly 80 ft. (good). The giant bee's base land speed is only 20 ft., but listed here nonetheless because it's not a biped like the Unlikely Choices, below, and because the SRD says that a creature can take 6 months to make a Handle Animal skill check to rear vermin (DC 35 + vermin's Hit Dice) and 2 months to make a Handle Animal skill check to train vermin (DC 50 + the vermin's Hit Dice). Although listed in the SRD's epic section, such DCs can be achieved by non-epic characters, especially if the DM allows a bunch of folks to aid another already skilled trainer.
  • If willing to settle for a slightly slower fly speed, creatures that can speak and wear a shoulders slot magic item should be able to make use of the wondrous item wings of flying (DMG 268) (58,000 gp; 2 lbs.) to gain a speed of fly 60 ft. (good). However, I figure the speed of 70 ft. is precisely to outpace those folks relying on such an item or an effect like the spell fly, so that's probably not an option.
  • The 3rd-level Sor/Wiz spell phantom steed [conj] (PH 261) for 1 hour/level creates a quasireal horselike creature with a land speed of 20 ft./level (maximum 240 ft.). A level 12 caster's steed at will can use an effect like the 4th-level Clr spell air walk [trans] (PH 196) except that it lasts 1 round and that it takes no action to employ. This gives the steed an effective fly-by-running-through-the-air speed of 240 ft. and an effective maneuverability of perfect, but the air walk effect makes it subject to strong winds, the steed has only 7 +1/level hp, the rider plummets if the steed's dispelled or reduced to 0 hp, and such a steed just can't be a cohort.

Unlikely Choices

The DM may rule that these bipedal creatures aren't "suited for riding" so the rider suffers a −5 penalty on Ride skill checks when using one as a mount (PH 80). Otherwise, the following creatures meet the initial requirements, but their sheer power will likely make them unavailable as mounts.

  • The astral deva (MM 11) advanced to at least 19 Hit Dice with fly 100 ft. (good). Minimum ECL 27.
  • The avoral (MM 141-2) advanced to at least 15 Hit Dice with fly 90 ft. (good).
  • The balor (MM 40-1) with fly 90 ft. (good).
  • The brilani (MM 93-4) advanced to at least 13 Hit Dice with its fly 100 ft. (perfect). Minimum ECL 18.
  • The ghaele (MM 94-5) advanced to 16 Hit Dice with its fly speed of 150 ft. (perfect).
  • The planetar (MM 11-12) with fly 90 ft. (good).
  • The solar (MM 12-13) with fly 150 ft. (good).
  • The trumpet archon (MM 18-19) advanced to at least 19 Hit Dice with fly 100 ft. (good). Minimum ECL 27.

In all cases creatures without a listed Level Adjustment aren't given an ECL here. As listed under half-celestial, above, a creature that becomes Large has its CR increased by +1, and how this affects its LA is up to the DM.

\$\endgroup\$
  • 2
    \$\begingroup\$ You might want to add the phantom steed spell to the list. It's only available to those who can cast the spell, of course, but the steed gets air walk at will from caster level 10 - and air walk is very much like flight with perfect manoeuvrability, albeit with a weakness to wind speed and some limitations on changing altitude. Better, the steed can use this ability on other creatures it touches without an action, meaning you can dismount in midair, walk on nothing for a bit to stretch your legs, then get back in the saddle and continue galloping across the sky. Classy, right? \$\endgroup\$ – GMJoe Dec 7 '15 at 2:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @GMJoe Thanks for the heads-up on phantom steed. Information added. But having the steed use air walk (or, even more confusingly, water walk) on another creature is a burden better assumed by its own question rather than addressed here. Kudos, though, for bringing to my attention a rules quirk about which I was unaware. Classy indeed. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Dec 7 '15 at 6:55
  • \$\begingroup\$ Suggestions for improvement welcome. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Dec 7 '15 at 16:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you so much for linking all the creatures! This really made it a lot easier! \$\endgroup\$ – thereasonforitall Dec 9 '15 at 1:24

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.