What is the normal penalty a character receives to their perception scores while sleeping?

Characters are implied to have limited ability to use their perception skills while sleeping. The advantage Light Sleeper explains that a character who possesses it receives "only" a -20 to Notice while sleeping, implying that the normal penalty is greater. Meanwhile, the disadvantage Deep Sleeper gives a character a staggering -200. Clearly, the default state is somewhere between these two values.

This default value does not seem to appear in the advantages/disadvantages section around Light Sleeper or Deep Sleeper, nor in the Secondary Abilities section around the Perception skills (despite having a chart of modifiers where it would fit nicely), nor in the States and Accidents section detailing status effects. Where can I find this value?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Been searching the book on and over and couldn't find the reference for this (I know it´s -80 anyway). The only reference are the Spanish official forums edgeent.com/tema/28379-advertir_dormido Not adding it as an answer since it is a link (to a Spanish place) and it is not RAW. \$\endgroup\$
    – Random
    Feb 16, 2016 at 17:53
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Random Wouldn't the official forums be considered a credible source? If it doesn't exist in any book due to a mistake, forum sites would be our only alternative and next-best option. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 16, 2016 at 23:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ I would have preferred to find it in a bard circle (the meetings the creator of the game had with the fans) or in the proper book, but these forums are a credible source, since it is a really good community and very knowledgeable on Anima rules. \$\endgroup\$
    – Random
    Feb 17, 2016 at 20:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Random Then feel free to submit it as an answer. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 18, 2016 at 0:43

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The best reference I can find is in the Spanish official forum. Not RAW, but possibly the second best thing. The answer seems to be -80.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Is it worth mentioning the more-authoritative places where it isn't? Like "Nothing in the book, the bard circle didn't address it, but the forum...." Sort of an argument that this is the most-authoritative extant source? \$\endgroup\$
    – nitsua60
    Feb 20, 2016 at 14:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ Unfortunately I do not posses the transcritps of the bard circles, so I cannot help there. \$\endgroup\$
    – Random
    Feb 22, 2016 at 10:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Random I think nitsua60 is just saying that you should add something like "It doesn't exist in the core book" to your answer to clarify why you're giving a "not RAW" answer. I think it's probably fine, though, as I covered those cases in the question. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 23, 2016 at 23:44

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