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One of my players wants to build a forge (see How much gold would the construction of a forge cost?).

I explained to him how the creation of a magic item works (like a +1 weapon, for example), and he asked me how his proficiency with smith's tools was supposed to help him.

Well, the PHB p.154 says the following:

Proficiency with a set of artisan’s tools lets you add your proficiency bonus to any ability checks you make using the tools in your craft.

But crafting a magic item doesn't require any ability check!

So my question is, what is the purpose of having proficiency with artisan's tools? And more specifically with smith's tools?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I've removed your "note" as it should really be a separately asked question. However, please note that rpg.se isn't a site designed for suggestions or ideas generation. \$\endgroup\$ – Purple Monkey Mar 10 '16 at 8:59
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For crafting non-magical items.

From the Downtime Activities on page 187 of the PHB:

Crafting

You must be proficient with tools related to the object you are trying to create (typically artisan’s tools). [...] For example, someone proficient with smith’s tools needs a forge in order to craft a sword or suit of armor.

So RAW it would appear that crafting doesn't actually require any ability checks. You just need proficiency in artisan's tools to be able to craft non-magical items in the first place.

But the DM might call for other ability checks that require artisan's tools.

From page 154 of the PHB:

A tool helps you to do something you couldn't otherwise do, such as craft or repair an item [...] For example, the DM might ask you to make a Dexterity check to carve a fine detail with your woodcarver’s tools, or a Strength check to make something out of particularly hard wood.

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The "purpose" is to be able to prepare a Plan B.

Plan A is to go into the dungeon and swat at the monsters with our swords until they fall over. A lot of adventurers do well with Plan A for a long time.

Plan B kicks in after the swords are ruined by a Rust Monster, the secret door is jammed shut because the hinges are seized, or you realize that the only way past the guards requires a wheelbarrow and a holocaust cloak and there is a broken-down cart under that big tarp behind the shed.

If only "Carpenter's Tools" had been listed among your proficiencies you could have totally made that last plan work.

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In order to use the artisan's tools, he needs proficiency in them. If he wants to craft any sort of object using the tools he first needs proficiency.

You might also apply the proficiency to checks made for non-crafting purposes. For example, if your player's character is a smith, in addition to crafting or repairing an item, he may wish to inspect the quality of some weapons or tools or identify their origin. You could apply the proficiency in the tools to the ability checks made for these purposes.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Xanathar's provides more details on what proficiency in artisan's tools might entail on p. 78 onwards. It suggests certain skill checks that might be made at advantage if you're proficient with each type of artisan's tools, and includes a special use/benefit you get from having that proficiency (e.g. Carpenter's Tools proficiency lets you build a temporary shelter that lasts 1d3 days). Of course, it's up to the DM to allow such uses. \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Feb 25 '18 at 17:58

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