I'm currently DMing a Curse of Strahd campaign (slightly modified to fit into an existing world I am slowly building (following core rule books for the most part). I am however following the setup/plot within the actual setting exactly. All encounters are done exactly as-is.

One thing I have noticed is that the challenge ratings seem very high for certain encounters. Sometimes massively so. Here are some examples we have come across so far.

While completing the introductory section, "Death House" they were suspicious of the pile of refuse in the corner and attacked it to be sure. It then attacked them back. They were a party of four level 2's at this point - fighting a CR5 monster, Shambling Mound). They survived by sheer luck since I rolled poorly on attack rolls.

There is also an example from later in the story...

While making their way through "Old BoneGrinder", they encountered the hags in the upper two floors. They refused to leave so the mother called her two daughters to help her and attacked the adventurers. At this point the party was level 3, fighting against 3 CR 5s (Hag Coven, Night Hags).

It should also be noted that...

The series of events literally led them straight here after the fortune reading to find an artifact. They did gain two levels after defeating the hags and securing the sword. There was not much room for exploring, they simply followed the road and noted that this was one of the places they were recommended to visit.

It should also be noted - I gave them as much warning as possible prior to the encounters, noting the ominous feelings, and a number of other things to give them every chance. And in fact - both encounters gave them the opportunity to back out prior to the combat, and the option to run away when they realized how hard the fights would be.

Now, I realize there was some obvious deficiencies on these monsters that make them slightly easier in general - for instance the first boss fight, they could have easily kited him around the room and never given it the chance to attack (his movement was only 20ft per round). The second fight, the majority of their spells are not terribly bad, and can be resisted if lucky.

Am I missing something here - or is this the proper sequence? Should my party have been doing these encounters or should they have run away? I should note, although the first encounter seemed easy, the second had them all nearly dead (and frankly, had I been trying to, could have easily killed them all).

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    \$\begingroup\$ I'm having the same issue. An encounter in one of the areas you mentioned resulted in a TPK the first time through. This was the RECOMMENDED area for players to start if they're level 1, also. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 28, 2018 at 21:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @DaveMunger Indeed, a quite difficult campaign to be sure. I realized later one of the other problems is a lot of the "warnings" are probably just waived off as flavor text, considering the campaign setting. \$\endgroup\$ Mar 1, 2018 at 21:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ The random nature of the location of magical items in the module also can make some encounters much harder or easier. In particular, my party found the Holy Symbol of Ravenkind quite early and it made the Coffinmaker's house encounter fairly trivial. \$\endgroup\$
    – Will M.
    Apr 2, 2018 at 21:19

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Let me start off by saying that Curse of Strahd certainly has some very challenging encounters, many of which can be stumbled into at points when the party is woefully under-levelled. I've only run it once so far, but that did end in a TPK.

In Vallaki, the party has the opportunity to run into a nest of vampire spawn whilst investigating a coffin maker's shop. The coffin maker (at least under my interpretation) is being kept as an unwilling servant/hostage of these vampires. I tried to give as many hints as possible that the coffin maker was scared of something in the shop - he was glancing over his shoulder, refused to let them in, would only speak in a whisper and asked the party to meet him later 'somewhere safe' suggesting the inn. Unfortunately the party didn't take the hint. Instead, they separated, two distracted the coffin maker, whilst the remainder broke into his house. I tried to give further hints - letting them spot many footsteps around large body sized crates in the dust of the storage room. I even pointed out that the cleric in the party felt something deeply disturbing from the room. Irrespective, he cracked open the crates, triggered an enormous fight and ended up dying.

It's important to note, however, that this type of danger is a common feature of sandbox campaigns. On top of that, this is a horror campaign - it is not unreasonable that if the characters poke around the dark corners of Barovia whilst uninformed of what lies within, they may end up angering something much more powerful than themselves. I personally feel that without such a threat, the player paranoia and tension necessary to maintain an effective horror theme can end up being lost or diminished.

Players should be made aware of this when starting the campaign and they should note that often discretion will be the better part of valor. It also behooves the DM to provide more narrative warning in such cases - signs of danger, direct warnings from NPCs, and (for when it all goes awry) avenues of escape. Even with this, however, encounters can and should have the potential to be fatal. At that point it is down to each DM how such an encounter plays out - nothing precludes you from granting strokes of luck, fudging rolls, or throwing in timely ally arrivals when things go south. Only you know your players and the game you are running, hence it's up to you and what you most feel makes for a fun game around your table.

With regards to your specific examples:

Death House - this is a hard starting adventure, but one that I found to really set the scene and vibe of the campaign. The shadows at the statue, the two ghasts, and the shambling mound stand out as all potentially being fatal encounters. The shadows, however, are extremely avoidable and are essentially a consequence of a lack of caution. Much of their threat depends on the party composition and their ability to output magical damage. Contrary to the book I would probably not have the shadows pursue the party out of the room, and may have them vanish if (for example) the orb was returned. The ghasts and the mound are tough, but certainly doable if the characters play smart.


Bonegrinder - I feel that warnings discouraging the party from entering too early are key to this adventure. The Vistani at Tser Pool may have warned the party away from there, knowing their destination and based upon what is written on pg. 28. Additionally, the raven should be extremely vocal in trying to ward off the players. Remember, the raven will be in league with the wereravens of Vallaki and essentially a force of good. Hence, assuming the party did head in and end up in fight against the three hags, having the raven summon help in the form of a swarm or a wereraven may be one solution to avoiding a TPK.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Thats good advice - I'v been slowly working through the book to make sure I get all the connections correct. Perhaps if they run into a bad area again I'll pull in some other outside factors to help keep them aware. \$\endgroup\$ Apr 26, 2016 at 18:32
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    \$\begingroup\$ +1 for that's how sandbox works - this is teaching a whole new generation of gamers they gotta play smart and recon and not bite off more than they can chew. \$\endgroup\$
    – mxyzplk
    Apr 27, 2016 at 0:52
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    \$\begingroup\$ Here is a hint: If you DON'T want your players to investigate something, do not describe it in details. The more details or "clues" you hand out, the more they want to know what is happening. (straight from pathfinder's gamemastery guide) \$\endgroup\$
    – ShadowKras
    Aug 19, 2016 at 13:57
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    \$\begingroup\$ I completely agree with @ShadowKras. The entire time I was reading this I kept thinking that your descriptions were validating the players that they were on the right track and should continue investigating. \$\endgroup\$ Nov 21, 2016 at 19:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ This would be a fine and wholly satisfactory answer if the book gave players ways to level up to those challenges. As it stands, it sure seems to throw a whole lot of level 5+ stuff, right off the bat, with few opportunities, other than random encounters, to actually get characters there. Sure, it's horror, and sandboxed, but if the answer to almost anything the characters can do or encounter when they start the campaign is, "just run away," it's not much of a story. :) \$\endgroup\$ Feb 28, 2018 at 21:33

Have you tried checking pg. 6 of Curse of Strahd under character levels? there is a passage there that I'm not entirely sure I can repeat here without a copyright issue, but it should solve your problem.

Curse of Strahd has a specific leveling style all its own. Reading it you get the impression that the adventure without extra pre-work anticipates a leveling structure based on milestones.

  • I found the Sunsword, I gain a level
  • I defeated the big story foe in the area, gain a level.
  • I built a cabin, gain a level.

I think you need to add monsters if you aren't using milestones to ensure the PC's are of sufficient level to enter that area. Looking at your instances I see your group was level 3 for Old Bonegrinder which is an average level 4 area.

Also to note. the ending of the death house section completes with two scenarios both leveling your party to level 3.

The section I reference also has the minimum average level for players in those areas.

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    \$\begingroup\$ It's not necessary to copy it word-for-word to explain how it solves the problem. The answer would certainly be improve by including an explanation of why it's the solution. \$\endgroup\$ Apr 26, 2016 at 17:17
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    \$\begingroup\$ From what I remember, if you are simply talking about the leveling guide - they award levels for various in-game events (such as finding artifacts, or completing areas). So far in my campaign they completed Death House (2 levels), and Old BoneGrinder (1 Level), and found the Sunsword (1 level). Which only now gets them level 5... but they have been fighting CR 5's most of the way, with the occasional CR 1-3. \$\endgroup\$ Apr 26, 2016 at 17:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ I have been running a campaign using the milestone leveling guide, but as a rule I've been leveling with location in mind. For instance, my group is on the way to vallaki (a level 5 area) but the group is only level 4. Therefore, I add some events along the way to give the players a win to get to level 5. For instance I had the party encounter Strahd for the first time on Old Svalic Road on the way from Barovia village. \$\endgroup\$
    – Sean
    May 12, 2017 at 20:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ The book does suggest that milestone-based leveling might be best, but only throws out a few examples of appropriate milestones, leaving the DM to really have to do a lot of thinking about how to award for various things. This is the whole point of an XP system: to make that a little easier to deal with. Personally, I find it MUCH easier to do milestone based leveling in custom adventures I write myself than to try to mind-meld with a published adventure series to that deep of a level and try to just guess its intentions toward specific milestones, but maybe that's just me. \$\endgroup\$ Feb 28, 2018 at 21:36

Yes, Curse of Stradh is hard. (*)

It is a scary horror themed adventure.

My L4 party is doing Death House, and I do not have to scale original stuff meant for L1-3 much.

Some things to keep in mind to make this work well:

  • Session zero: Let players know there are things that go bump in the night that can kill them without breaking a sweat. Sometimes the solution is not a fight; it is their job to know when to fight, when to run, and when to find different solutions
  • Use foreshadowing and foreboding to warn players
  • Be forgiving when they run, chase and play with them like a cat would, for the fun of it, but let them escape. I like Skill Challenges from 4E to let players use their skills to run, hide, find novel solutions that do not have to be fight based. Role playing epic skill fails and wins can be fun. Rogue turning a slip into a tumble and roll, etc.
    • Stadh is the perfect cat - after 400 years he is bored. The party is his new toy, he does not want to break it too soon. Tease, taunt, humiliate - Yes. Kill, some day, but not today.
  • Pace it well, let them have a victory or two to avoid too much frustration. They should have a sense of progress and "next time we'll get em". Easy fights are not treasured or remembered - for "main" encounters a few failed aborted attempts and near escapes makes it epic and satisfying when you finally win. Taunting works well on my players...get that grudge match on.

(*) I roll my dice in the open (when I can), my players know my monsters may kill the characters and I don't fudge the die for or against them. We find that more exciting (not that there are not ways to act tactically to adjust deadliness).


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