4
\$\begingroup\$

When a similar question was asked on this site, I interpreted the original phrasing of the question as a question regarding the retraining of skills, rather than the retraining of classes / class features.

I ran some quick searches in the database of questions that have been asked on this site, and I found that there's isn't a question that addresses precisely the possible options available to a DM regarding skill retraining as specified in current D&D 5th edition literature.

While reading that first question, I came up with an answer to the question in the manner that I interpreted it. However, I don't believe that my answer (provided below) is entirely exhaustive in describing the ways that a DM can allow for skill retraining 5th edition D&D. What are some additional ways?

\$\endgroup\$
  • \$\begingroup\$ What do you mean by retraining? replacing one skill with a different one, or improving a skill you already have? \$\endgroup\$ – KorvinStarmast May 20 '16 at 2:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KorvinStarmast Hmmmm. That is a fair distinction to make. Originally, I was thinking about replacing one skill that is already trained with another one. I've never really considered the possibility of improving a skill that I already have - I usually just let that happen "naturally" through leveling and occasionally from the temporary effects of certain spells. Have you thought of more legal ways of improving a skill than those? Please let me know I'd love to hear about them. \$\endgroup\$ – Vladislav Martin May 20 '16 at 2:09
  • \$\begingroup\$ My guess was that the former is where you were headed. I don't have enough desire to tinker with this edition to have given enough thought on the latter to give you an answer that meets SE standards. \$\endgroup\$ – KorvinStarmast May 20 '16 at 2:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ Is this a rules-as written question or are you open to play-tested house rules? "Possible options available to a DM" might of course includes a rule zero moment, where the DM makes a ruling on the spot. How "official" would you want an answer to be? \$\endgroup\$ – Tim Grant Jul 20 '16 at 11:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ @timster No need for an answer to be strictly "RAW". You've interpreted my wording correctly, I'm definitely open to play - tested rules. Obviously, I'd appreciate I'd appreciate any explanation you can give as to why your play - tested rules are reasonable house - rules. In the end, I personally think that good house - rules are just as useful to a game as the RAW, because they show real playing experience and that usually makes for a more unique and entertaining game. \$\endgroup\$ – Vladislav Martin Jul 20 '16 at 22:32
6
\$\begingroup\$

Is skill retraining explained in any of the 5th edition D&D core rulebooks?

From the reading that I've done, there is no explicit explanation of a "retraining" mechanism in 5th edition D&D.

Other Courses of Action

  1. The Skilled Feat

A way to avoid undoing skill choices is to make sure that you can train more skills after Level 1. Conveniently, there is a feat called Skilled that gives players the options to train themselves in three more skills than they are trained in through their class and race. Considering how often skills are utilized for the group's benefit in D&D, this is a very viable feat to have a character take. The feat is described as follows (PHB, pg. 170):

You gain proficiency in any combination of three skills or tools of your choice.

  1. Learning from a Willing Instructor

The Player Handbook describes the manner in which a player's character may learn a new language or tool, a concept which could reasonably be extended, if the DM sees it appropriate, to include new skills as well (PHB pg. 187):

First, you must find an instructor willing to teach you. The DM determines how long it takes, and whether one or more ability checks are required. The training lasts for 250 days and costs 1 gp per day. After you spend the requisite amount of time and money, you learn the new language or gain proficiency with the new tool.

As I said, the PHB never specifically mentions that learning new skills can be done as a down-time activity. You could reasonably apply the above rule to allow players the option of learning skills from one another. Judging from the wording of the Skilled feat, described earlier, the PHB indicates that proficiency with a certain set of tools, which are specifically allowed to be taught and trained through a willing instructor according to this excerpt, and proficiency in a certain skill are valued at roughly the same level.

  1. Multi-classing for Additional Skills

Under the "Proficiencies" sub-header in the "Backgrounds" section, the PHB sets forth a useful rule to keep in mind on "double-dipping" proficiencies / skills (PHB pg. 125):

If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead.

"A different proficiency of the same kind" seems to indicate that the character is allowed to train in any of the list of proficiencies provided on the player's character sheet as a substitute for their "double-dipped" proficiency. For all of the below multi-classing options, it is important to remember that if you multi-class into a class that offers many of the same skills as your original class, you are allowed to substitute those "double-dipped" skills you are forced to take with any other skill on your character sheet.

Short story shorter, if you want to train in as many skills as possible, then it is best to make sure that your character's original skill choices overlap heavily with the skill choices offered by the class you are multi-classing into (particularly, Rogue or Ranger) so that you have the whole list of skills available to train your character in, instead of just that class's predetermined set of skills.

Bard

Training your character as a 1st-level Bard allows your character to train into three new skills. Further, selecting the College of Lore archetype allows your character to train into three additional skills.

Rogue

Training your character as a 1st-level Rogue allows your character to train into four new skills, selected from a predetermined set of skills.

Ranger

Training your character as a 1st-level Ranger allows your character to train into three new skills, selected from a predetermined set of skills.

|improve this answer|||||
\$\endgroup\$
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ I totally disagree with the Wordpress excerpt. When you level up, you take no time to train on your new feat. It can be viewed as training you've done while earning XPs, maybe. On top of that, a skill and a feat are two different things. I would let my players take time off (if only they could...) but I do not see how that would allow them to get a +1 to an ability. \$\endgroup\$ – Alexis Wilke May 20 '16 at 1:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AlexisWilke Wow, you're right... I honestly thought that it read "retrain the skill" for this whole time. I was so busy trying to explain my point with that explain I remember from online, that I didn't catch that. I'll fix it and replace it with a more agreeable example. \$\endgroup\$ – Vladislav Martin May 20 '16 at 1:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AlexisWilke Actually, on second thought I think that modifying a feat isn't really a good way of going about allowing a character to "retrain" a skill. I presume that a player wouldn't select a feat that trains them in a skill that they are already trained in. Can you think of any reasonable circumstance where a player would select a feat that would effectively force them to train themselves in a skill that they are already trained in? \$\endgroup\$ – Vladislav Martin May 20 '16 at 1:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ There are some overlap... To be more effective, I think that players should have more diversity when it comes to feats and skills, but there is no reason why someone could not take two different feats that offer a similar or even the same skill. It won't be cumulative though. \$\endgroup\$ – Alexis Wilke May 20 '16 at 5:32
3
\$\begingroup\$

As I mentioned in my answer to the other question:

The PHB (p187) presents training in a tool or language as a possible downtime activity. It says, "Your DM might allow additional training options." It takes about as long as a public school year in the US to complete one training option.

[...]

The DMG (p231) also presents rules for granting training as an "alternative reward." That means this option is presented as an alternative to magic items, so you're not going to be able to just go out and do it. You can spend the same amount of downtime that the PHB requires for training to learn a new skill, gain a feat, or gain inspiration daily for about a week. You'd have to ask someone else how 7-10 days of inspiration compares to a permanent skill or feat, let alone would be worth the 9 months of investment to get it.

There are, however, no means in the core rule books to forget a currently learned skill (unless you count polymorph).

As the other answer in the other question states, however, in Adventurer's League you're allowed to completely rebuild your character anytime before level 5. The only thing you can't change is your race or faction. That's not a D&D rule, however, but a campaign option for Adventurer's League.

|improve this answer|||||
\$\endgroup\$

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.