From an old [email protected] message:

1.Did 2nd Age God Learners acknowledge Hrestol as their prophet? (There is no mention in Abiding Book about Hrestol and Joy.) MRQ setting said YES. But I said Greg's current idea MIGHT NOT BE.

As far as I know, they did - or at least didn't regard him as a raving heretic. The Irensavelites they certainly didn't like, but not all Hrestoli are Irensavelite.

and from a later message:

Should I interpret above as 3rd Age Irensavalites don't revere Hrestol, either? I expected most of 3rd Age Loskalmi are New Hrestoli and Irensavalite.....their prophets are Malkion and Hrestol. Please tolerate my limited English ability.

The Loskalmi and the Immaculates are both Irensavelite and Hrestoli. The Castle Coasters are Hrestoli, but not Irensavelite. So the MSE can dislike the Irensavelites (the ancestors of the modern Loskalmi) without disliking all Hrestoli (many of whom are the ancestors of the modern Castle Coasters).

Hrestol himself was not an Irensavelite; that came later, notably from Tomaris. When LotW2 is eventually released, with its list of heresies against the Rokari Church, you'll see that the Hrestoli Heresy and the Fronelan Heresy (i.e. Irensavelism) are not the same thing - although the Loskalmi practice both, of course.

I can't find mention of these Irensevalite's anywhere! It is apparently a doctrine of an offsplit of the Syanoran church (to judge from the link to the "Fronelan heresy"; cf. the heresies section at the end of Trotsky's The Syanoran Church write-up). So, who were they?

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    \$\begingroup\$ I thought it was about time we had a nice, technical Glorantha question... \$\endgroup\$ Jun 16, 2011 at 12:44
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    \$\begingroup\$ I know nothing about Glorantha, so won't post this as an answer, but this page implies that Irensevalites are worshipers of Irensaval, the Invisible God of the Idealist Church. Is that what you were looking for? \$\endgroup\$
    – dpatchery
    Jun 16, 2011 at 12:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @dpatchery: Bingo! Thanks to your link, I've tracked down the source, via a Moon Design forum post to Revealed Mythologies #7. Do post that as an answer. \$\endgroup\$ Jun 16, 2011 at 13:13

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This page implies that Irensevalites are worshipers of Irensaval, the Invisible God of the Idealist Church.

  • \$\begingroup\$ ...and with the help of keywords inferered from this page, we can track down the source, discover the original Irensevalites were adverseries of the God Learners in the 2nd age, &c. Possibly someone turns up with cool pointers information on these folk, but my question is basically answered. \$\endgroup\$ Jun 16, 2011 at 13:48
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Alticamelus I figured this wouldn't completely answer your question, but I'm glad it helped you get there :) \$\endgroup\$
    – dpatchery
    Jun 16, 2011 at 13:51

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