I have a character that is a level 16 Psion Shaper. He has two iron golems with him at all time (Out of the ten he possesses altogether). He acquired them by first crafting the body himself, he then bought a golem manual and finally had a wizard activate the manual's spell trigger on his pre-made construct. Each iron golem has a challenge rating of 13; does this stack with my ECL? If it does how do you calculate the increase if I have more or less of them at one time?


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Since you bought them, each one’s CR is accounted for in the 15,000 gp you spent on the raw materials, the 375 days you spent making the body, the 35,000 gp you spent on the iron golem manual, and the 150 additional days spent bringing it to life. For two, double that. 100,000 gp and three years of work are rather substantial, after all. They have no effect on your ECL.

  • \$\begingroup\$ My character is a psion shaper and crafted the golems body himself. He then bought a golem manual and had a wizard activate the spell trigger. I found the golem manuals on D&D wiki on an SRD page but can't seem to find where they are in an actual book? \$\endgroup\$
    – Craigamore
    Oct 14, 2016 at 17:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Craigamore Those books are legit, I'll look for a page number when I get home. That's fine, that's just another way to buy them. No effect on CR or ECL. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Oct 14, 2016 at 17:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Craigamore You should probably add that information to the question, along with the class and level of your character. (That is, it makes little difference to a Wiz30 if he has a pair of iron golems, but it makes a huge difference to a Ftr2!) \$\endgroup\$ Oct 14, 2016 at 19:00
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Roflo No, it’s not, assuming NPC wealth went towards a pair of iron golem manuals. If an NPC just has two iron golems with him because the DM says so, then their CR would be included. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Oct 14, 2016 at 20:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Craigamore Yes, there are ways around it, and greater psionic fabricate appears to be one of them. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Oct 16, 2016 at 18:07

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