I am playng evil drow priestess of Lloth with alternative class feature "drow cleric".

Level: 1st.

Replaces: If you select this class feature, you do not gain the standard cleric's ability to turn or rebuke undead.

Benefit: You can rebuke or command vermin as an evil cleric rebukes or commands undead. When commanding spiders, you gain a +4 bonus to your effective turning level.

This ability otherwise works exactly as rebuke undead. You can use this ability in place of turn or rebuke undead for the purpose of qualifying for divine feats.

Currently I am 1st level.

How does it affects when I rebuke and command spiders? I supposed it means that my cleric level is 5 whem I am rebuking and commanding spiders. I think at least it means that when I roll 1d20+chaMod and look at table, "cleric level" there is actually "effective turning level" and equals 5, so if i roll 0, i can rebuke spider of 1 (=5-4) hd and so on. I am not sure if I can command total 2.5 hd of spiders. It seems a bit too cheesy at 1st lvl. Or not?


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The +4 bonus to effective turning level means you treat your cleric level as being 4 higher than it actually is for all purposes related to turning or rebuking undead. The term “effective turning level” emphasizes that this is different from your actual cleric level; this bonus does not give you four extra levels, just lets you count as four levels higher for turning.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Does he add the effective level to the damage roll that determines the total HD? Turning Damage If your roll on Table: Turning Undead is high enough to let you turn at least some of the undead within 60 feet, roll 2d6 + your cleric level + your Charisma modifier for turning damage. That’s how many total Hit Dice of undead you can turn. \$\endgroup\$ Nov 22, 2016 at 18:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Thorborn762 All purposes related to turning or rebuking undead; yes. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Nov 22, 2016 at 18:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Thorborn762 Well, strictly speaking, no, since he's replaced it with rebuke/command spiders, but otherwise, yes. \$\endgroup\$
    – Firebreak
    Nov 22, 2016 at 18:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ My main doubt about question how many hd of spiders I can command. Reading " At any one time, the cleric may command any number of undead whose total Hit Dice do not exceed his level." Level menshioned here should also be "effective tuning level", but it means that I can have two 2hd spiders under my command. It's sounds too much so I can hardly believe it was so intended. \$\endgroup\$
    – Izulle
    Nov 22, 2016 at 20:58
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    \$\begingroup\$ @HeyICanChan No, I am not interested in considering that they were splitting hairs that finely. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Nov 23, 2016 at 14:53

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