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Can a spellcasting Fighter use the Action Surge ability to cast two spells (not cantrips) in one turn?

Answers to this question assume they can not, however, nothing in the rules explicitly restricts that. The only restriction described is the "bonus action" paragraph (PHB, page 202):

Bonus Action

A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven’t already taken a bonus action this turn. You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

But it is related to the bonus action, isn't it?

A follow-up question - what if the Fighter casts a Bonus Action spell with a cantrip, then takes the Action Surge, and then casts any "normal" (not a cantrip) spell? Will it contradict the "you can’t cast another spell during the same turn" part?

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It would appear that Crawford's weighs in on the cantrip rule is only with relation to spells that are cast with the bonus action, this also made it into the Sage Advice Compendium.

Crawford confirms here.

Question: Can I misty step (bonus), fire bolt (action) and fireball (surge) on same turn? Or need action surge also be a cantrip?

Crawford: In that situation, the Action Surge spell would also need to be a cantrip

Crawford: The rule on bonus action spells pertains to your whole turn, not to a particular action (PH, 202).

PHB p202 Under Casting Times and Bonus Action

You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

Since Action Surge gives you a whole other action and not a another turn you can certainly cast another spell so long as you did not use a Bonus action spell.

The Sage Advice Compendium also provides clarification:

If you cast a spell, such as healing word, with a bonus action, you can cast another spell with your action, but that other spell must be a cantrip. Keep in mind that this particular limit is specific to spells that use a bonus action. For instance, if you cast a second spell using Action Surge, you aren’t limited to casting a cantrip with it.

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    \$\begingroup\$ "You can’t cast another spell during the same turn" is fine. "Action Surge gives you a whole other action" is fine too. But it doesn't give a turn, it gives action. It is still the same turn, isn't it. It is the same 6 seconds. Why the conclusion "you can certainly cast another spell"? \$\endgroup\$ – enkryptor May 30 '17 at 18:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ @enkryptor There does seem to be a contradiction between the text in the PHB and the Sage Advice example. It would seem to me that the verbiage in the PHB would indicate that if you cast Misty Step you would only be able to cast a cantrip for the rest of your turn regardless of using the Action Surge, however Crawford seems to miss that, unless there is an errata on turn versus round versus actions somewhere. I am out of country so I don't have the means to research that until I return though. You can certainly cast two normal action spells with Action Surge though. \$\endgroup\$ – Slagmoth Jun 2 '17 at 8:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ I think what Crawford is saying when he says "Keep in mind..." is that if you cast a leveled spell with your regular action, you can Action Surge and then cast another leveled spell with your additional action - the restriction of "if you cast a spell as a bonus action, the only spell you can cast as an action is a cantrip" is not applicable to that scenario. \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Mar 5 '18 at 19:27
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    \$\begingroup\$ @enkryptor I know it is like a year late but found additional things that clarified what you were saying in your comments and edited an additional source I stumbled across today. \$\endgroup\$ – Slagmoth Mar 5 '18 at 19:41
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If you have already cast a bonus action spell, you can only cast cantrips, Action Surge does not change this.

If you cast a full action spell, you can use Action Surge to cast another full action spell, but now you can not cast a bonus action spell.

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    \$\begingroup\$ +1, very clear. The rule only applies when bonus actions are involved! Easy to miss that. \$\endgroup\$ – Nacht May 2 '18 at 3:27
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Some people are misunderstanding Crawford's cross-comparison vis-a-vis Bonus Actions, Actions and Action Surge. If you cast a bonus action spell, your action spell as well as your action surge spell may only be cantrips (per the delineation for bonus action spells). What Crawford meant was that compared directly to an action spell (a "full" spell), action surge may be used to cast another "full" spell. That is not the case, however, if a bonus action spell was used at any point during the turn. (Note: this means that, for example, if you cast a full spell of any kind during your turn, you cannot take a bonus action spell (unless a specific indicator/spell descriptor specifically states otherwise), even with action surge. The only exception to this is — again as indicated by Crawford — that your Reaction can be used to cast a "full" spell even during your turn, which can (albeit rarely) occur when a mage casts counterspell against your "x" spell and you use your reaction to counterspell their counterspell.) Other than that, BA spell means no non-cantrip spells during your turn.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Why is this downvoted? It is a bit unstructured, but says the same thing as the accepted (right) answer. \$\endgroup\$ – András Oct 30 '17 at 21:01
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    \$\begingroup\$ @András: If I had to guess, it's because it's worded like a comment on another answer rather than being a standalone answer. OP doesn't mention any statement by Crawford; only another answer does. It should be edited to clarify what the answer is talking about. \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Apr 5 at 22:18
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Yes, you can

From the "Casting Time" section of the Sage Advice Compendium, p. 12:

If you cast a spell, such as healing word, with a bonus action, you can cast another spell with your action, but that other spell must be a cantrip. Keep in mind that this particular limit is specific to spells that use a bonus action. For instance, if you cast a second spell using Action Surge, you aren’t limited to casting a cantrip with it.

Which explicitly means that you may cast a second spell using Action Surge and that it is not limited to a cantrip.

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    \$\begingroup\$ SA compendium explicitly claims that "if you cast a second spell using Action Surge, you aren’t limited to casting a cantrip with it" ("Casting Time", page 12) - media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/SA-Compendium.pdf \$\endgroup\$ – enkryptor Feb 8 '17 at 14:39
  • \$\begingroup\$ Your first quote (as you wrote it yourself) is under the Bonus Action section, so it applies only to spells cast with a bonus action. \$\endgroup\$ – András Oct 30 '17 at 21:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ @enkryptor - updated answer appropriately. \$\endgroup\$ – Protonflux Oct 31 '17 at 10:05
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Action surge grants an extra standard action and a possible bonus action. This extra action is not considered an extra turn, but additional action(s) allowed in the same turn.

This, as written, should give you free reign of these actions to do as you please, so long as you meet the requirements to do said actions. If a sorcerer/fighter casts fireball with quicken spell, it makes it as fast as a bonus action still leaving a standard action. A fireball can be cast with this standard since it is an instantaneous action. Now seeing as how a full set of actions have been taken, action surge can be activated to grant an additional standard action and (keyword here) a possible (also a keyword) bonus action. So with these additional actions it is very possible to quicken spell another spell into a bonus action and still cast another standard spell.

This is how it goes based on how the wording is placed. As I stated, there are no RAW restriction on what a player can or cannot do with these actions.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Can you clarify what your answer is stating that hasn't already been said? \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Apr 5 at 22:14
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    \$\begingroup\$ How do you square casting a quickened fireball + "[a] fireball can be cast with this standard since it is an instantaneous action" with the rule on bonus action spells found on PHB p.202 and quoted in the question post? \$\endgroup\$ – nitsua60 Apr 5 at 23:29
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    \$\begingroup\$ Action Surge does not give you an additional bonus action, but you are not the first to read it that way. It is very badly worded. \$\endgroup\$ – András Apr 6 at 15:33
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    \$\begingroup\$ @András: That's why the wording was changed in the 2018 errata (though not noted in the errata document) to no longer mention bonus actions: "On your turn, you can take one additional action." \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Apr 7 at 4:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ @V2Blast I specifically checked the errata before posting this comment. I like the game, but the error handling (errata, tweets, etc) is horrible. \$\endgroup\$ – András Apr 7 at 5:18

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