I'm playing a Bloodrager with the Abyssal Bloodline and looking at spells and I noticed Animal Aspect increases my Unarmed strike damage... as I'm using mostly my claws for damage, I was wondering if that would work on those.

Gorilla: Your arms become long, flexible, and strong like those of a great ape. Your unarmed damage die type increases by one step, and you gain a +4 competence bonus on combat maneuver checks when making the grapple or reposition combat maneuver.

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thanks, Punbro

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    – Ifusaso
    Mar 4 '17 at 23:34

No. Unarmed strikes are not natural weapon attacks.

When a creature that can use manufactured weapons does not have a weapon, they can make an unarmed attack. This attack is usually weaker than using a manufactured weapon, but there are exceptions such as the monk or brawler classes. For full-round attacks, unarmed strikes use iterative attack rolls (BAB, BAB-5, BAB-10, etc). Also, an unarmed character making an unarmed attack against an armed opponent is risky:

Attacks of Opportunity: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes, nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.

An unarmed character can’t take attacks of opportunity (but see “Armed” Unarmed Attacks, below).

I suggest reading through the combat rules about unarmed attacks for more detail.

A natural attack (or natural weapon) is something that most humanoid player races don't have. It is part of their body, such as a claw or bite, or maybe just a clumsy slam or tail slap. Creatures are generally proficient with their own natural weapons.

As an alternative to making a full-round attack of iterative unarmed rolls (i.e., creatures with natural weapons can make unarmed attacks, but they generally don't), a creature can instead make a full-round attack with only their natural weapons. Natural attacks also don't use iterative rolls in the way that unarmed attacks do:

Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and add the creature’s full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature’s base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one.

Creatures with natural weapons also have the option to make a full-round attacks with both their manufactured weapons (or unarmed attacks) in addition to unoccupied natural weapons. However, all of the natural attacks are considered secondary during these attacks, which means sacrificing accuracy and damage.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Thanks, I've been reading up on NA's all day, so knew most of that, but good info. Guess I just needed to hear "no, they different". I have some other questions, but mostly on topic, is there anything in particular that makes something Primary vs. Secondary? or is it on a case by case basis? The spell monstrous extremities makes additional natural weapons, but only says that they are Secondary when using normal weapons, which are the case for all natural attacks... ok rather off topic, sorry XD \$\endgroup\$
    – Punbro
    Mar 3 '17 at 21:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Punbro Some types of natural weapons are usually primary (claws, bite, etc) and some are usually secondary (wings, tentacles, etc). However it does vary by creature. Go to the PFSRD page I linked, there is a table of natural attacks and which are usually primary/secondary. \$\endgroup\$
    – MikeQ
    Mar 3 '17 at 21:44
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    \$\begingroup\$ I'd note that it's 1.5x strength to damage when a creature has only one natural attack, not when they only have one type of natural attack- a creature with two claws only has one type of attack, but doesn't get 1.5x strength (though a creature with only one claw attack would get the 1.5x) \$\endgroup\$
    – Delioth
    Mar 3 '17 at 22:09
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    \$\begingroup\$ This answer would be much improved by noting that all creatures, gorillas included, are entitled to take unarmed strikes (and those would benefit from monk class features, size increases, and so on). \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Mar 3 '17 at 23:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ As KRyan stated, you can still make unarmed strikes not using your claws, but in this case it would likely be detrimental to damage, not increase it. Based on the actual question, I agree that it would increase the quality of the answer. \$\endgroup\$
    – Ifusaso
    Mar 4 '17 at 23:38

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