I like psionics. I really do. A first level Soulknife can manifest an appropriately sized weapon that he is always proficient with, no matter the form, using a move action; but it can't have weapon specials or be a whip without the player using blade skills in what some might call a sub optimal fashion. That argument is background to this question.

I was hunting for options like the Soulknife that didn't require level dips, and of course Instant Weapon came to mind. And I thought 'hey, cool, a magic item for this is like a bladed belt that can do whips and Lucerne hammers'.

And then it hit me that, by RAW, it might be too cheap. Even using the CL requirement as 3, the SL of 2 and a 2x multiplier for a use-activated item with an effect measured in 1 minute per level, the equivalent of a five level dip in SoulKnife only costs 24000 gold. This might be mitigated by the missing +2 enhancement the SK would have, but the bearer of this thing can 'standard action' any exotic melee weapon into existence, be proficient with it, AND have it size correctly with things like Powerful Build and Enlarge Person.

Trying not to be too broad, then, I suppose the question is, is there any concrete source I can read to judge what it should cost to do such a thing as a use activated item, or is 24000 gold about as RAW as I'm going to find?

  • \$\begingroup\$ Except the soul knife can enhance his blade in several ways, summon it at will, and uses a move action instead of a standard (and eventually free action)? Is this kind of balance you are asking? \$\endgroup\$
    – ShadowKras
    May 7, 2017 at 1:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ @ShadowKras, in a nutshell yes. The enhancements don't start until 3, and they couldn't emulate a whip until second level at the earliest. Instant Weapon can do this immediately. It's slower and not really enhanceable, and I want to allow it in my game, but the value of never having to take an exotic proficiency feat and not particularly being disarmable has me wondering if this is one of those things the item creation tables didn't really account for. \$\endgroup\$
    – user24724
    May 7, 2017 at 2:24
  • \$\begingroup\$ On the surface it doesn't seem overpowered to me, certainly not compared to other things that 24,000gp can buy. However, I might be missing something - is there a specific scenario you have in mind where you can use this to do something crazy? \$\endgroup\$
    – Ben S.
    May 7, 2017 at 3:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Ben S., well, the standard action makes it less overpowered by a fair piece. The instant anything proficiency sounded more valuable until Karelzarath's breakdown. But, say, a Powerful Build Aegis with Augmented Weapon, Psionic Weapon and +5 ft of reach, summoning what amounts to a 4d6 Huge greatsword is something that usually takes a level dip in soulknife to pull off, and I'm really just concerned about how valuable that might actually be. I have fewer concerns now. \$\endgroup\$
    – user24724
    May 7, 2017 at 4:23

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As an item, this is going to end up less powerful than it appears at first blush, and 24,000 gp is too expensive for what it gives you.

Let's unpack what this spell does and doesn't do (emphasis mine):

You create a melee weapon sized appropriately for you from opaque force.

You are considered proficient with this weapon, which acts in all ways as a masterwork weapon typical of its type. The instant weapon has hardness 20 and the same number of hit points as a typical weapon of its type. As a force effect, it can strike and damage incorporeal creatures. If the instant weapon leaves your hand at any time, the spell ends at the beginning of your next turn.

While the spell is in effect, you gain an ordinary masterwork melee weapon sized to fit you which you can use as if you were proficient. It doesn't actually grant you any feats needed to use it, nor are you considered to have them for any other purposes, such as using a katana one-handed or using a sawtooth saber as a light weapon. You still need the Two-Weapon Fighting feat(s) to get the most out of a double weapon or Improved Trip to make a trip weapon worthwhile.

It is also a steel or wooden weapon with no enhancements, so you will be unable to bypass any damage reduction that can't be overcome by mundane weapons (such as DR /bludgeoning). Since the weapon disappears when you set it down, you will need the actions of another player to applying blanching or cast align weapon or magic weapon each time you face a foe with damage reduction.

This also leaves you highly susceptible to disarm attacks, since it costs you a standard action to get your weapon back rather than a move action to pick it up. A decently skilled foe could ensure that you are unable to attack for the duration of the battle.

All this item gives you is versatility in your reach and the type of mundane damage you deal. A +1 ghost touch weapon would cost just over 8,300 gp and allow always-on bypass of DR /magic. There are no exotic weapons that are really abusive without the feats and materials to really crank up their power. You're much better off just getting a weapon to focus on.

Pricing Breakdown

All that said, I would price this item closer to 8,000 gp just for the proficiency with the conjured weapon. Compare this item to the bladed belt, which "can be enchanted like a piercing and slashing melee weapon" and only costs 2,000 gp. Your item provides weapons that can't be enchanted but lets you use them as if you were proficient. In fact, 24,000 gp could get you a mattock of the titans, which is substantially more powerful than your proposed item.

What you need to price is what the item actually does:

  1. conjure a nonmagical weapon
  2. provide proficiency with that weapon

#2 is easiest to price, so let's start with that. The nearest item to that effect is the lesser bracers or archery. At 5,000 gp, they grant proficiency with all bows and crossbows and a +1 competence bonus on attacks if you're already proficient. That prices out to roughly 1,600 for the attack bonus (bonus squared x 2,000 gp, minus a 20% reduction for requiring proficiency) and 3,400 gp for the proficiency. Since it's far broader than what your item gives you, I'd drop that to an even 3,000 gp.

#1 is trickier. There are no magic items that I could find which even partially bring a weapon into existence. A crown of swords gives you retributive spiritual weapons, but only 10 rounds a day, for 6,000 gp. Your item isn't that good, but it does let you use it all day (with repeated activations). I'd suggest a 5,000 gp price tag for that. It's useful but not powerful and isn't open to abuse as far as I can see.

That brings your total cost to 8,000 gp, which is slightly less than the +1 ghost touch weapon.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you for the detailed research. I feel better about this now. Any thoughts on a command word version? You know, something that can get disabled by silencing the user? \$\endgroup\$
    – user24724
    May 7, 2017 at 4:39
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    \$\begingroup\$ @SeanBoddy My inner (outer?) GM says that since silence effects shut down pretty much half the game that having an item that's command-word activated is not really a drawback but just part of doing business, especially since so few magic items are activated by taking a purely mental action. \$\endgroup\$ May 7, 2017 at 6:50
  • \$\begingroup\$ "A +1 ghost touch weapon would cost just over 4,300 gp" - I think that should be 8300? +2 equivalent is 8k, plus the 300 for MW weapon. \$\endgroup\$
    – G_B
    May 7, 2017 at 15:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ @GeoffreyBrent What? 2 x 2 x 2 isn't 4? Yeah, I brainfarted that pretty badly. \$\endgroup\$ May 7, 2017 at 16:54

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