Timeline for Are Trolls immune to all instant death effects?
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| Apr 1, 2021 at 6:23 | comment | added | InternetHobo | @Tom The troll Regeneration trait does not say that the troll does not die when reduced to 0 HP, it says the troll dies only if a certain condition is met. | |
| Feb 8, 2019 at 4:04 | comment | added | Miniman | Now that you've put Crawford in there, I'm revoking the bounty...I kid, I kid. | |
| Feb 8, 2019 at 3:55 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added link to 1/29/19 Dragon+ episode where protection from massive damage is confirmed.
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| Feb 8, 2019 at 2:02 | comment | added | V2Blast | Jeremy Crawford confirms in the 1/29/19 Dragon+ episode (around 42 minutes in) that even the Instant Death rule (reduce it to 0 HP, with leftover damage equal to its max HP) won't kill it; the troll's Regeneration trait is more specific than the Instant Death rule. | |
| Oct 1, 2018 at 4:53 | history | bounty ended | Miniman | ||
| Sep 30, 2018 at 6:31 | comment | added | Tom | @Deltatheduck - your example: The creature is immune from fire, so it does not take damage from fire. The spell effect specifically says that creatures take fire damage. No fire, no damage. Very simple. The troll description does not specifically say that the troll is immune to death or to instant death effects. It says that when reduced to 0 HP it does not die, but can regenerate. But neither of the spells reduced anyone to 0 HP as a means of killing in the way fireball does damage by means of fire. | |
| Sep 30, 2018 at 4:15 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Sep 29, 2018 at 23:51 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Clarified on Power Word Kill also producing a necessary condition, and added an example to spells not being "specific versus general" just because they are spells.
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| Sep 29, 2018 at 21:40 | comment | added | Novak | The transposition of "If Then"/"Only If" cuts both ways. This answer would be vastly improved by applying that transposition to the Power Word Kill rules. This improvement may take the form of a drastic reduction in your level of certainty. Down voting until that analysis is included. | |
| Sep 29, 2018 at 18:46 | comment | added | Deltatheduck | @Tom Many spells do not describe what happens if their stated effects do not occur. Fireball says that creatures in the effected area take fire damage, so what happens to a creature hit by Fireball that is immune to fire? Fireball provides no information on what happens when the target is immune to fire. Spells are not obligated to explain what happens if their desired effects cannot occur, the effect simply doesn't happen. | |
| Sep 29, 2018 at 17:23 | comment | added | Tom | I like the application of logic there. However, looking at the context appears to do the opposite: Regeneration is an ability that can undo physical damage done. Both spells do not, however, cause damage. Note that their effect is stated as instant death, not "reduced to 0 HP and thus killed". Since they do not describe what happens if a creature somehow does not die (e.g. are they then at 0 HP or not?), the intent of the spell clearly is that it is death, period. | |
| Sep 28, 2018 at 21:31 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Made the language more natural and less mathy
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| Sep 28, 2018 at 11:19 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Clarifying specific beats general
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| Sep 28, 2018 at 11:02 | history | edited | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Elaborated on the specific vs general
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| Sep 28, 2018 at 10:54 | history | answered | Deltatheduck | CC BY-SA 4.0 |