Timeline for Can you apply metamagic on a Mythic spell?
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| Jan 5, 2020 at 21:52 | comment | added | willuwontu | Since Mythic Cure Critical Wounds has such a high bonus, empower spell is better for it than maximize spell is. | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 21:52 | comment | added | willuwontu | At this point maximize still deals more damage than empowered does on average (although empowered deals more potentially). Let's add in another bonus per die rolled (say the blood havoc mutation), the fireball now deals 5d6+10 damage, 27.5 damage on average, 40 damage at most. Mazimize still only increases it by 12.5 points of damage, but empower now increases it by 13.75 (27.5*.5) points of damage. So maximize is better for spells with lower bonuses to rolls, while empower is better the higher the bonus to the rolls are. | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 21:52 | comment | added | willuwontu | @Binochio again, that's because the bonus to the spell matters more than the dice in this case. Consider the humble fireball, at level 5 it deals 5d6 damage, on average this is 17.5 (5*3.5) damage, at most it's 30 damage. This means that a maximize will increase it's damage by 12.5 points, an empower will only increase its damage by 8.75 points on average. Let's add in a static bonus per die rolled though (say the orc bloodline arcana), it now deals 5 more points of damage, but maximize still only increases it's damage by 12.5 points whereas empower now increases it by 11.25 points on average. | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 21:17 | vote | accept | Binochio | ||
| Jan 5, 2020 at 21:16 | comment | added | Binochio | I'm sorry, I don't understand : even with an average roll of 4, with Ifusaso way of calculating, empower (8*4+38)*1,5 = 105 is still better thant maximise (8*8+38)=102 | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 17:09 | comment | added | willuwontu | @Binochio Ifusaso is correct. Mathwise, this is because empower is better than maximize when the bonus to the rolls exceed the average roll value (8*4.5 = 36, 36 < 38) | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 16:40 | comment | added | Binochio | (8d8+38)*1.5 : this does not seem adequate to me : if it was the case, Empower would be better than Maximise on average : 111 (=8*4,5+38)*1,5 vs 102 (=8*8+38). | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 16:23 | comment | added | Ifusaso 'he-him' | (8d8+38)*1.5 "All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by half including bonuses to those dice rolls." | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 16:05 | comment | added | Binochio | If I understand you correctly, the bard can use the feat Empower Spell, on his Mythic Cure Critical Wounds. Also, the amount of damage healed, would be : 8D8 * 1,5 +38. Does that seem correct ? | |
| Jan 5, 2020 at 5:50 | history | answered | willuwontu | CC BY-SA 4.0 |