Timeline for How to handle Passive Perception and Passive Insight when both scores are so high it takes all the fun away?
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 19:57 | comment | added | ShadowRanger | @Matthieu: "reaching a passive Perception of 20 isn't trivial, as far as I know" At level 4 anyway, yeah. Without rolled stats (or tomes), it's impossible to hit passive Perception 20 by level 4 without Observant; the best you could do is Wisdom 18-19 + Perception Expertise, which would be 10 + 4 + (2×2)=18 passive Perception (a variant human could theoretically hit Wis 20, but they'd have no feats for off-class Expertise). And even that would be weirdly high; classes that have Wisdom as their primary stat don't get access to Expertise, so even 18 is essentially never seen below level 5. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 19:01 | comment | added | ShadowRanger | @enkryptor: I assume they mistyped and mean Investigation? Although I suppose they could just be referring to a Passive Insight derived without the aid of Observant; with a Wis mod of +3 and Observant, if you were proficient in both Insight and Perception, and sank the Tasha variant Ranger's Canny (which effectively grants Expertise in a single Ranger skill) into Insight, at level 4 you'd have a +5 Perception (20 passive with Observant), +7 Insight (17 passive, no feats needed). Observant isn't relevant to any problems with "being too passively, but not actively, insightful" though. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 18:17 | comment | added | Oblivious Sage♦ | Reminder to everyone that answers, even partial answers, do not belong in comments. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 15:56 | answer | added | MivaScott | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 14:08 | answer | added | enkryptor | timeline score: 6 | |
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 13:52 | answer | added | guildsbounty | timeline score: 21 | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 13:32 | comment | added | enkryptor | Also, how is your passive Insight is at 17? This means +7 modifier, which is quite high for a 4th level. The Observant Feat does not affect passive Wisdom (Insight) score. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 13:29 | comment | added | enkryptor | Does this rule consider only this Ranger character in your game? Or do any player can use their passive score instead of a die roll result? | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 12:55 | history | edited | Thomas Markov |
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 10:21 | history | reopened | Nobody the Hobgoblin dnd-5e Users with the dnd-5e badge or a synonym can single-handedly close dnd-5e questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | ||
| Feb 23, 2023 at 9:38 | comment | added | MansNotHot | @Matthieu In this answer the active check would most likely be still very much be inferior to the passive one, and i guess would not be RAW when restricting to arbitrary things. I would like to find a RAW middle ground | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 9:35 | comment | added | MansNotHot | @Matthieu No the calculation is very much correct, as I always played very optimised characters, but this optimization is now biting myself in the butt and I am looking for a middle ground which does neither invaluate my very high passive, nor the fun of actively rolling for those checks. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 9:31 | comment | added | Matthieu | I'm confused at what you're asking for. As I understand, your issue is that your character is performing too well at a task it's probably built specifically for (reaching a passive Perception of 20 isn't trivial, as far as I know). Either that, or the way your DM calculates passive Perception is wrong. This answer on one of the duplicate candidates actually treats really well about how to not "overuse" passive Perception, if that's the issue. | |
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| S Feb 23, 2023 at 9:09 | history | edited | MansNotHot | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 9:07 | comment | added | MansNotHot | @ThomasMarkov ?? | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 8:12 | comment | added | MansNotHot | @ThomasMarkov I would like this question to be opened up again as i have read your two links and they present different challanges from different perspectives. They are about first: players with high passives vs players with high actives and he does not want them to forfeit their passives. The other question is just how to handle passive also from DM perspective. I am asking how to find a balance between using and making my passive fun, but still being able to incorporate actives as well. I want to find a balance between both as a player and this is a seperate challange. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 8:00 | comment | added | Thomas Markov | I’ve closed this question as a duplicate, both of the linked questions seem to address your issue here pretty directly. | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 7:59 | history | duplicates list edited | Thomas Markov | duplicates list edited from How do I deal with extremely high passive perception? to How do I make sure that both passive and active perception stay relevant?, How do I deal with extremely high passive perception? | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 7:58 | history | closed | Thomas Markov dnd-5e Users with the dnd-5e badge or a synonym can single-handedly close dnd-5e questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | Duplicate of How do I deal with extremely high passive perception? | |
| Feb 23, 2023 at 7:51 | history | edited | Matthieu | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 23, 2023 at 7:45 | history | asked | MansNotHot | CC BY-SA 4.0 |